Dat Fell Cleave tho...

[Argyle_Darkheart]

I mean, don't you feel that Fell Cleave is tremendously over powered?

Not at all. Look at our average potency and (lack of) oGCDs compared to other tanks/DPS; Fell Cleave is what keeps us competitive (along with Deliverance, Maim, and Berserk).

[Falgern]

Not at all. Look at our average potency and (lack of) oGCDs compared to other tanks/DPS; Fell Cleave is what keeps us competitive (along with Deliverance, Maim, and Berserk).

Their multiple DPS cooldowns does more than make up for their lower potency and lack of oGCDs. Fell Cleave doesn't decrease the gap between tank damage, it makes the gap even bigger. There is no tank that can even do remotely the same damage as a warrior.

[VargasVermillion]

Their multiple DPS cooldowns does more than make up for their lower potency and lack of oGCDs. Fell Cleave doesn't decrease the gap between tank damage, it makes the gap even bigger. There is no tank that can even do remotely the same damage as a warrior.

maybe in a single attack (war definitely has the best burst atm) but over the course of a fight it would be about even. (OT anyway comparing OT and MT is pointless)

[Falgern]

maybe in a single attack (war definitely has the best burst atm) but over the course of a fight it would be about even. (OT anyway comparing OT and MT is pointless)

A longer fight puts a war even further ahead. both PLD and DRK have TP issues, a constant fight for 3+ minutes and a DRK has 0 tp left.
WAR gets 200 TP every minute, as well as "free" abilities, free meaning they only cost wrath/abandon and not any TP or MP. WAR win in both long and short fights.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

both PLD and DRK have TP issues, a constant fight for 3+ minutes and a DRK has 0 tp left.

Nonsense. If your just solo parsing then yeah, after 3+ minutes you'll have no TP but if you're in a group you can ask for Goad or Paeon or Machinist TP bot or use one of the many times the boss goes invulnerable to recover a few bits of TP.

[Alphras]

Their multiple DPS cooldowns does more than make up for their lower potency and lack of oGCDs. Fell Cleave doesn't decrease the gap between tank damage, it makes the gap even bigger. There is no tank that can even do remotely the same damage as a warrior.

You never saw a good PLD in SwO if you really think WAR is that far ahead.

[Falgern]

Nonsense. If your just solo parsing then yeah, after 3+ minutes you'll have no TP but if you're in a group you can ask for Goad or Paeon or Machinist TP bot or use one of the many times the boss goes invulnerable to recover a few bits of TP.

Which then again pushes more to a burst style of gameplay where WAR is even more preferred.

And even more silly since it requires another class to help with the TP management, which gets even worse the more you pop blood sword, and thats the only way to do respectable DPS as a DRK.

You never saw a good PLD in SwO if you really think WAR is that far ahead.

Haven't seen a PLD reaching the same numbers as a WAR has no. I've seen parses where the OT PLD is slightly ahead of the MT WAR on Ravana.

If you could show me some numbers a PLD can do I would be happy to look at them.

[Srab]

Haven't seen a PLD reaching the same numbers as a WAR has no. I've seen parses where the OT PLD is slightly ahead of the MT WAR on Ravana.

If you could show me some numbers a PLD can do I would be happy to look at them.

http://puu.sh/iPHgT/973e07c4bb.png
^ PLD main tank and still doing 650+ dps on ravana and can do more than 700 when playing OT
PLD cant beat WAR dps but can be close with 40-50 dps

[Temjiu]

http://puu.sh/iPHgT/973e07c4bb.png
^ PLD main tank and still doing 650+ dps on ravana and can do more than 700 when playing OT
PLD cant beat WAR dps but can be close with 40-50 dps

Nice. think i may have to start leveling my PLD
And for my DRK brothers, i hope the balance adjustments come as quick as the bug fixes did.

[VargasVermillion]

http://puu.sh/iPHgT/973e07c4bb.png
^ PLD main tank and still doing 650+ dps on ravana and can do more than 700 when playing OT
PLD cant beat WAR dps but can be close with 40-50 dps

Do you spec str and/or have dps acc at all?

EDIT: nvm you aren't the PLD lol, my bad. :P