Serious Concern, Need Help; MCH not welcome to Alexander

[Garlyle]

I can understand SE observing the community and compiling data to make the necessary changes. It's only been 2+ weeks since the game was released, but it's a shame that they plan on doing so after Alexander.

To be fair, until you put classes into heavily demanding content, it's hard to know exactly where they stand. Dragoons, for instance, were somewhat suddenly shafted when the Final Coil of Bahamut came out because of the huge proportion of Magic vs Physical damage in those fights and the fact their gear literally made some stuff unsurviveable for them. The exact conditions of how a class performs in content are difficult to predict.

Regardless, I seriously don't expect normal Alexander to be tuned stupidly tight, and they may be intending to do balance changes along with the implementation of Alexander (Savage) based on Normal performance, as that's the point at which it'll really start to matter.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

Pretty much what Garlyle said. Ninja's were so OP when they come out and EVERYONE changed classes and spent the new poetics on them, the few DRG's that were left kept at their class and when ninja's were nerfed and dragoon's were buffed, you could instantly tell the players that only played the class because it was OP, not because they were good at it.

I have a BRD in my party and would not refuse a MCH either in the same spot. People that are kicking the new classes because they see 1 or 2 bad apples are only hurting themselves. I've seen MNK's do 200 DPS constant in Neverreap or BLM's that do lower dps then the tanks. All in all, bad players will be bad and the good ones will rise above all the challenges to break the expectations set by those that do not understand the class.

Your comment is spot on. Reminds me of FFXI's pre-Ranger buff; everyone was all over that class and disregarded anyone as lazy and selfish for not leveling it up due to its OP-ness, but once the nerf came around, they abandoned it fast and started labeling it as worthless.

Bear in mind, though people like burning down shit faster because the dungeons and raids get so mind-numbingly boring as fuck that I think just "get it over with" mentality creeps in despite best intentions.

To be honest, I just wanted to point out your sig......ah ma gawd....

[Callinon]

Job karma for all the Blank knockbacks

So the kicker there? I asked a MCH once if that ability was like super good dps #1 or something because he just wouldn't stop using it (I'm a NIN >.<). He sort of shrugged.

I go and finally start working on my own MCH... I look at Blank... 100 potency.

It's an auto attack. With a knockback on it.

WHY?!

[SovereignAegis]

So the kicker there? I asked a MCH once if that ability was like super good dps #1 or something because he just wouldn't stop using it (I'm a NIN >.<). He sort of shrugged.

I go and finally start working on my own MCH... I look at Blank... 100 potency.

It's an auto attack. With a knockback on it.

WHY?!

Cause MCH damage is so horrifically craptastic that that extra auto attack every minute matters.

[Pluvia]

So the kicker there? I asked a MCH once if that ability was like super good dps #1 or something because he just wouldn't stop using it (I'm a NIN >.<). He sort of shrugged.

I go and finally start working on my own MCH... I look at Blank... 100 potency.

It's an auto attack. With a knockback on it.

WHY?!

The same reason Some ninjas use the stun on Jugulate for 80 potency
Also still love how people think Ninja was super OP sure they were top damage but the nerfs didn't really affect them was less then 1% of a dps change for them was more to shut people up and make them happy. They were far from being OP Op would be massively ahead of people in damage which they weren't

I've said it about 3 times in this thread there is no reason to exclude them from things they're not that bad off. Yes they need buffs but people need to stop being Tools and not block them from Primal groups

[Hayward]

I'm not welcoming them anywhere if they don't stop using that knock back ability.

I see the talking points from Reddit weren't e-mailed out during the July 4th weekend, but that doesn't justify using such old canards.

[Lilyanna]

To be honest, I just wanted to point out your sig......ah ma gawd....

Best. Photo. Ever! OMG XD

[Callinon]

The same reason Some ninjas use the stun on Jugulate for 80 potency

No decent NIN will do that to something that legitimately needs to be stunned (or they'll switch to silence on Jug instead). And in any event, a stun/silence is not a knockback. Jugulate doesn't launch my target to the stupid moon in the middle of my combo.

[Laerune]

Fixing machinist and bard are going to take time, both to identify where the problem truly lies and to come up with a solution that balances the classes without overpowering them. Not to mention, actually implementing the changes takes a while as well. Expecting SE to just have a solution ready within two weeks is pretty shortsighted

This!

Its more realistic to assume that both classes wont be fixed untill 3.1/3.2. I think(not sure) warrior took 6 months to be fixed and summoner did not get any love untill this expansion. So my advice is to bench the Machinist and play another class untill they get fixed. They might be fixed this month or after 6 months, best to move on for now.

[nekuxdesu]

memes

that wasnt the biggest issue, it was just that it made drg completely useless as it provided the entire raid with bonus damage, had vastly superior damage to mnk and drg, and was arguably the easiest to maximize (outside of ping) because of a lack of positionals
and no it wasnt 1% lol