Why are bards / Mechanists so... Sensitive? <_<

[Sessurea]

Hi paladin. Notice how u run out of tp after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds.....yeah.

I didn't say anything was good or bad. Just a fact, ppl run out of tp, brd fills it.

Don't throw that around like that's good game design to be defended. Resource management shouldn't be "bring a BRD/Gunbard", it shouldn't even be "press your refill button every X seconds". The class design in this regard is super lazy pretty much across the board.

In fact you were the one with the opinions afterall. Should we just ditch the hp/mp system too? Make it a bit easier for you.

[Remus]

2.0-2.55: People poking fun at dragoons(loldrg,tanking the floor,output wasn't that great), them hardly getting a raid spot because people favoured monk and ninja because they bring more to the raid group. Bards were fine because they had a raid spot no matter what because of their songs. As a dragoon this happened i see PF people ask for MNK/NIN

3.0: Dragoon gets a raid wide crit buff people take them now its equal among the melee dps and people don't poke fun any more as often because potentially they could be top dps, bards are now weak but people still take them for songs and people poke fun at them now and have a hissy fit.

In truth, right now all you bards are just going through what Dragoon went through pretty much all of 2.0. My static has a bard because even though their DPS isn't on the level of melee and casters they know they are still useful because of their support utility. People who say their bard are not support dps are lying to themselves you ARE support DPS SE just doesn't want to waste time building another option in duty finder which allows support DPS and adding a new colour for support DPS. Your DPS will never be on the level of anyone else and you just need to accept it just like how dragoons did in 2.0.

Even I throw out jokes at bards now because those same people threw jokes at me so when they try mention me doing low DPS I just say "says the bard with low DPS" and they stay silent and rarely judge my dps again. After looking at all the people who responded to the OP are just bards who are mainly salty their DPS isn't on the level as other classes. So, OP when I saw this topic I laughed because in all honesty I have said the same thing "ew bard" but they kew it was a joke because they know their current position. Just suck it up and stop being so sensitive, if Dragoons can take all the jokes and rejection of not taken into raids im sure you can until things are changed.

You can disagree all you want but my opinion won't change lol.

Oh and one more thing...

[Enjuden]

Honestly, we've heard this crap since early access. Some people are able to take a light jab here or there between friends, but others are just tired of hearing the same damn thing nearly every hour we play XIV, knowing we picked a class that is in rough shape due to the nature of RNG and figuring it out too late since it functioned perfectly fine until suddenly our damage compared to others plummeted past level 50. At least those I've been with were quiet about it lately.

Edit: And to the above, what DRG is going through in 2.0 until the magic defense buff/overall skill buffs is not like what MCH is going through at the very least (I can't say anything about BRD personally). DRG is not at the mercy of RNG to function. It's funny, because when RNG favors us we actually do pretty well. When we don't, gg no re.

[Lillia]

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Not everyone judged Dragoon and not all of them was just Bards if some did. I like Dragoons and I totally agree with your post on utility and what not until the part with jokes on Bard which seems influenced from what Dragoon had to go through comes in, if you knew how it felt then why would you go out your way to laugh at another player misfortunes on here... I just find that horrible.

You know, I think the people who haven't came on here to comment how bad off they were are the Warriors. They had a total overhaul on their job because of the issues people felt the job had and yet... here comes the Dragoon players instead.

And so you know... in first coil when it was the only raid out back then. I also had a Dragoon player as a static member once and almost any kind of DPS was welcomed in runs I did if pugs were needed or when I was running coil before the static.

[Remus]

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Please come back to me when you do Ravana EX when you get Wheeling Thrust when its Seeing Left/Right/Wings and then talk to me about being at the mercy of RNG we pretty much are forced to do less damage. It's not at the level of MCH which I understand you are right on that point but it's still pretty annoying that there is RNG between both my skills Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust.

[RiceisNice]

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Last I checked, DRGs were fairly comfortable up until 2.4 when ninjas were introduced and FCoB got trigger happy with putting emphasis on damage values on fights...and making it magical damage. Nor did I see them being actively excluded or getting kicked out of Shiva EX for the matter.

If anything, it should be comparable to warriors who got benched out of raids in favor of paladins until 2.1.

[Hyunckel]

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

But when I see my DRK offtank with STR accessories doing more dps than a similarily geared MCH (i179) in Ravana EX over the course of 5-7 minute tries, I think there is a problem lol And I was with 35 bonus attribues in VIT lol

[Lillia]

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

But when I see my DRK offtank with STR accessories doing more dps than a similarily geared MCH (i179) in Ravana EX over the course of 5-7 minute tries, I think there is a problem lol And I was with 35 bonus attribues in VIT lol

It should be higher for MCH using barrel and BRD when in minuet I think but... it's going to be difficult to balance how high and what should be changed exactly without having the bards and machinist being too OP, That is why SE wants to wait till Alex for major changes.

[Lewtskie]

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

Again, this confuses me. We bring awesome utility, when we actually have a need for bringing that utility.

No one is explaining why we have to have lower average Weapon dmg other than the fact that at some point we maybe will play a song when there's need for one.

Even if we had the same weapon dmg as a DRG, we'd obviously never actually do the same overall dmg output as a DRG. Because we maintain a steady mid-point while being able to maintain movement, with spikes every so often through use of cooldowns. They, on the other hand, have structured combos with increasing potency. Up until now and outside Minuet, the only WS we have that exceeds 150 Potency is Misery's End, which is a WS only used in the final Stretch.

So their low-point is just about the same as our constant output and a high-point that can vastly exceed what we would do. We could never have that because that's the point that would be broken. That is totally justified.

But when playing a song we take another hit to our DMG. It's now at 15% but it used to be at 20. So not only do we do less dmg when not even providing that awesome utility, but when we do, we deal even less. And it makes sense to deal less when we have to provide support. It doesn't make sense that we deal less constantly if only because we MIGHT use a song. Would it not make sense to instead take whatever % of dmg difference already lies in our weapon dmg and just add it to the song's reduction?

[BigBossCL]

Last I checked, DRGs were fairly comfortable up until 2.4 when ninjas were introduced and FCoB got trigger happy with putting emphasis on damage values on fights...and making it magical damage. Nor did I see them being actively excluded or getting kicked out of Shiva EX for the matter.

If anything, it should be comparable to warriors who got benched out of raids in favor of paladins until 2.1.

You're not remembering clearly. DRG's got forced out of raids quite often in 2.1 Heck, DRG used to be asked to leave from parties doing AK because their DPS was so poor on Demon Wall.