Why are bards / Mechanists so... Sensitive? <_<

[Lillia]

Lol. i don't see too much of an issue with a bard of mechanist. Could they use a slight DPS increase?

Hmmm... I don't balance games. Hard to say. I love the utility that they bring in progression/raids, and I think it's unfortunate that they demand to do the same DPS as those who do not offer such a level of utility. This has always, however, been their demand.

I look forward to the day that SE releases a pure Ranged DPS archer, without support. That will be a DPS who should be competitive with BLM/SMN.

It's not about us doing the same DPS as you guys, it's about us doing enough to still be a useful party member with that support. Right now, if Savage was out and you had a bard/machinist in your static but couldn't reach the DPS check with them even if they did their rotation good and knew when to give support would you keep them? Probably not, especially if you have a better chance of just barely burning through the content by over dps'ing it with another DPS or by having that person change their job just because of the low output.

We need to reach a certain amount of DPS that's acceptable for these things and when we're tracking behind in numbers by a lot compared to every other job then it's worrisome and prompts people to want changes.

I personally wouldn't of been ok staying with someone who says that at the beginning of a run either by the way, I probably wouldn't instantly leave but I'd be super wary of them and it wouldn't give me the greatest first impressions of my party members for that run... especially when they could just be gawking at my DPS numbers for all I know with that boot button on the side just waiting...

[Sessurea]

Right now, if Savage was out and you had a bard/machinist in your static but couldn't reach the DPS check with them even if they did their rotation good and knew when to give support would you keep them?

except that every single raid encounter in this game is created with bard dps ability in mind. if you're geared enough, and have a brd and 3 other dps and still can't beat a dps check then someone needs to get gud, plain and simple. Running content without a bard would probably reduce melee dps to bard level. As an example, raid enrage timers are generally 10 mins? Nins are out of tp in under 4 mins with invigorate still very much on cd. Now is it really worth bringing another dps who wont offer support and will probably end up doing bard damage due to tp starvation? Sure the nin can goad the tank ( wow ) but he will starve himself.

Don't forget tanks run out of tp fast too ( pld runs out in under 3 mins ) and tanks damage has been buffed to support dps level, so tank tp starvation is an even further value to bard, more so than before.

[Lillia]

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You know... I always considered and was fine with Bard being utility, a nice middle between it all if you will.... but what you just explained was nothing more than a TP/MP bottle with legs that's not even taken along for both the support and small bits of DPS it can push out which is sort of disappointing as.... I never really saw the job that way. Anyways, maybe I just didn't know the job as well as you do and should start reconsidering if it's something I want to really play as.

And to further explain before you say anything, I actually did feel like bard was able to do not the highest but decent numbers that wasn't behind or with a tank of all jobs unless of course the tank was an OT or the bard was just really bad.... :/

[Sessurea]

Anyways, maybe I just didn't know the job as well as you do and should start reconsidering if it's something I want to really play as.

nah u probably know it fine. Bard was a class where u could pull really great dps before, and you could consider yourself a "dps" and not just a "support dps" at times. I felt it was a nice balance and every brd was pretty happy then.

In those times a 3 min dummy parse was 500 dps for brd and somewhere in the low 600s for melee. Nowadays brd is like 800 at dummy while mellee is now 1100. It's as if se feel the significantly raised skill caps on other dps classes ( particularly blm and drg ) is going to make this difference in dps a lot smaller in a real fight. And for the most cases, the gap in a real fight IS a lot smaller. bard can be within 100 dps of other classes in real fights and usually is if everyone is playing good. But if other dps classes manage to reach near peak dps from optimisation of the fight then brd really will be relegated to support utterly and completely. I guess all this is to say theres less fun and e peen to brd now which is a shame. I honestly wish things would remain as they were and I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea that I'm a support now. And support is only ever needed in raids which we don't have yet.

bard as it is would have been awesome if it was like this originally, but people picked bards for damage and got the support as a bonus. Now se are saying : Now you are mainly just a support. What I don't like is how hard bards have to try for their dps which now wont ever be notable or special. Good bard play should imo reward one with dps at least greater than what the OT can pull.

[Lillia]

I guess all this is to say theres less fun and e peen to brd now which is a shame. I honestly wish things would remain as they were and I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea that I'm a support now. And support is only ever needed in raids which we don't have yet.

Yeah.. That's hitting me now too... because like I said before I always felt we were utility.. not just one side or the other. >.<