Why are bards / Mechanists so... Sensitive? <_<

[Sessurea]

Anyways, maybe I just didn't know the job as well as you do and should start reconsidering if it's something I want to really play as.

nah u probably know it fine. Bard was a class where u could pull really great dps before, and you could consider yourself a "dps" and not just a "support dps" at times. I felt it was a nice balance and every brd was pretty happy then.

In those times a 3 min dummy parse was 500 dps for brd and somewhere in the low 600s for melee. Nowadays brd is like 800 at dummy while mellee is now 1100. It's as if se feel the significantly raised skill caps on other dps classes ( particularly blm and drg ) is going to make this difference in dps a lot smaller in a real fight. And for the most cases, the gap in a real fight IS a lot smaller. bard can be within 100 dps of other classes in real fights and usually is if everyone is playing good. But if other dps classes manage to reach near peak dps from optimisation of the fight then brd really will be relegated to support utterly and completely. I guess all this is to say theres less fun and e peen to brd now which is a shame. I honestly wish things would remain as they were and I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea that I'm a support now. And support is only ever needed in raids which we don't have yet.

bard as it is would have been awesome if it was like this originally, but people picked bards for damage and got the support as a bonus. Now se are saying : Now you are mainly just a support. What I don't like is how hard bards have to try for their dps which now wont ever be notable or special. Good bard play should imo reward one with dps at least greater than what the OT can pull.

[Kiara1]

My au ra machinist just reached level 51. Cant wait to see the low dps everyones veen on abiut! Abd if they ew me im gonna steal hate!

(Sorry for the misspellings vut they ddi something to forum on mobile phone so its very laggy and impsooible to edit your tezt)

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Support DPS will never find their place in an 8 man party. The DPS Classes this expansion ALSO got new utility whilst keeping their DPS.

Solution:

Make hard 24-man content and give them raid-wide effects, give underpowered classes the same treatment so they are wanted in serious raids.


The new DPS utility moves don't even cost them their damage! They just gain more damage! <3

[Lewtskie]

I understand you'll see nothing but my piss poor raiding history and think I don't understand, but I've so many friends who have been where I haven't and done it all that it just makes me salty to no end, lol.

#1 That TP you needed then and there could have easily been supplied by a NIN while Invig was down. When DPS are performing at their Maximum then there is no need for a Healer to DPS so aggressively as well. No fight will ever have that definitive setup where nothing else works. There's always ways around that may or may not prove to be better, but it certainly shows your reliance on BRD won't always be an absolute necessity.

#2 This is the shit we deal with. You don't give an explanation other than "because you are support" and "it's how we do things" even though nothing in the game says we are 'support' in role. And that support isn't a constant. It only exists when need demands. So when there is no need for that support, why must we suffer damage-wise regardless? And come with new kits, the ever present 'this is support/this is not support' boundary grows ever thin. Many jobs are collecting ways of providing 'support' with no diminish to their kit.

That extra slot you hold for a 'support' can easily be supplemented with another DPS who's design best excels in the given fight. If you are bum-rushing singular targets like mad, another NIN to give you TP and provide increased overall DMG for everyone would suit them. Needing AoE clear will see to a BLM who would never have issues sustaining themselves.

It pleases me greatly to hear that you will always provide a slot for us in your roster. But it's just that the reality is we really aren't absolutely needed, and when we aren't needed we can be so easily be replaced right now it is rather depressing. They wanted to try and rectify this with Minuet, but they did so haphazardly that it just pours salt in the wounds. I'd honestly be better had I leveled something else, lol, but I hate just abandoning this job. I hate to feel like I just gave up and it's the Job the appeals the most to me aesthetically.

[codofwisdom]

I decided, when I started this game, to main Bard. I didn't want to be pure DPS; I wanted to support.
Right now, I'm basically stuck on Bismark, because of the DPS check.
I hear from others about how easy it is, how they got through it on the second try. I have been at this for 3 days.
I'm level 57, iLevel 137 (highest available is 142), and I can't help but feel responsible.
It doesn't help that each party I've been in has had 2 bards (me and another one) or a Machinist.

The problem is that the support skills we have as Bards do not give sufficient compensation for the lost DPS. Unless we're in a party made up entirely of magic users, of course. If only there was a Physical Foes Requiem....

I've come to terms with the fact that my class is currently lacking. Here's hoping they adjust it well. Of course, it could be that I just suck. But if that's the case, I'm sorry to say I don't see how I can improve upon my current methodology.

EDIT: In short, OP, it's because Bard's are a DPS class, and can't DPS. Dragoons might be glass cannons, but at least they're cannons. It'd be like a Tank with 8,000 max HP. Might be because we aren't specialized, but that's what Mechanist is, and they're not fairing much better.

[Delorean]

As a bard, "Ew Bard" is like adding fuel to the fire right now because we are in need of serious fixes. Machinist is likely no different.
So I can understand their wish to not deal with the drama, even if it was intended as a joke.

well it's not like dragoons only spent an entire expansion of dying just because they had lower magic defense than everyone else while being the most frustrating DPS class to play

oh wait, they did

i mean some of them are still dying and winning rolls on loot just because they are bad and unreasonably lucky, but that is beside the point

[RiceisNice]

well it's not like dragoons only spent an entire expansion of dying just because they had lower magic defense than everyone else while being the most frustrating DPS class to play

oh wait, they did

i mean some of them are still dying and winning rolls on loot just because they are bad and unreasonably lucky, but that is beside the point

Hey...at least you got into the content and died in there. People won't even take MCH or even BRDs in Bis EX nowadays.

[Lux_Rayna]

OP ppl take the game too seriously. Thats all. I dont think it was a big deal myself, and baffled at the negative reaction in the thread. Its just a game at the end of the day, the joke in no way made a personal attack on the player, and merely poked fun at his job.

Theae same ppl throwing tantrums made fun of drgs for years. Now its suddenly not okay to poke fun at a job?

[Lillia]

OP ppl take the game too seriously. Thats all. I dont think it was a big deal myself, and baffled at the negative reaction in the thread. Its just a game at the end of the day, the joke in no way made a personal attack on the player, and merely poked fun at his job.

These same ppl throwing tantrums made fun of drgs for years. Now its suddenly not okay to poke fun at a job?

Actually, I for one have never told a DRG.. "Ew, DRG" upon seeing them in a Dgn or getting one. Sure I'd join a joke of lawlgoon but I never toss it out there nor start that joke. Most the time it was the Dragoon to start the joke on themselves with the whole "I died again" stuff.

I like DRGs, they burst out good dps and help bards and I enjoyed playing one for however short-lived it was when I was doing so for B4B. Though... it wasn't even the fact that he was joking about the job but rather the comment he chose to joke with.

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.

We are DPS/Support, when people need TP or MP who do you think fills it? Us. When a caster needs that small boost then who do you think sings to tug them up in numbers a little more? Us.

Yes, by that term any job can be 'support' however we have more supportive abilities than they do with normally a longer span than they do. If we were just pure DPS then we wouldn't be stopping to sing and fill these needs as part of our 'role', We'd have less supportive abilities and higher DPS.

As a matter of fact we would fit the role of Ranger much more if it came to that and much less a Bard whose almost always been seen as a more supportive role than DPS in the FF series.

And when I say "us" or "our" I do include you when you're on the job unless you leave healers and dps high and dry.

[LambLich]

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.