Only on a Final Fantasy Forum...

[Kimahri]

Well all I know is that of the three MMOs I am following closely at the moment, there is no heated discussion about jumping, or maybe that's because those games already implemented the feature long ago, along with swimming and climbing and a million other things to add to the exploration of the gameworld they designed.

Now I quoted this to point out something. Nothing negative, just some observations. I can totally see how swimming and climbing could potentially be a way to explore some new area's of the world. It can easily go up there with the airships and boats.

What I don't see is how jumping can lead to more exploration? The hell would I be doing, jumping up a wall to the clouds up above where fairies dance? I don't see a practical application for jumping besides a jump to occur automatically when a small hill or short fall is required.

[gifthorse]

Hey guys, I know! Let's all get really upset and miserable and depressed on an internet forum about a video game! Doesn't THAT sound like a great time? WOOHOO!

Pick you up at 8!

Now I quoted this to point out something. Nothing negative, just some observations. I can totally see how swimming and climbing could potentially be a way to explore some new area's of the world. It can easily go up there with the airships and boats.

What I don't see is how jumping can lead to more exploration? The hell would I be doing, jumping up a wall to the clouds up above where fairies dance? I don't see a practical application for jumping besides a jump to occur automatically when a small hill or short fall is required.

Couldn't you say the same thing for every motion?

It's all just as futile when you put it that way.

At least jump adds a sense of accomplishment since you actually have to manually get to the area as opposed to just running along a pre-determined linear path.

[Abriael]

At least jump adds a sense of accomplishment since you actually have to manually get to the area as opposed to just running along a pre-determined linear path.

And since you find that kind of action so satisfying, couldn't you just play a platformer, that has the mechanic implemented better than any MMORPG ever could?
I suggest the old Shinobi for PS2. Believe me, you'll feel a TRUCKTON of accomplishment after finishing it. If you don't break your TV with a brick before getting there.

That instead of demanding the introduction of platforming mechanics in a MMORPG, that normally tend to look extremely awkward, and to frustrate to no end the (many) that don't enjoy that kind of gameplay belonging to another genre?

[gifthorse]

And since you find that kind of action so satisfying, couldn't you just play a platformer, that has the mechanic implemented better than any MMORPG ever could?
I suggest the old Shinobi for PS2. Believe me, you'll feel a TRUCKTON of accomplishment after finishing it. If you don't break your TV with a brick before getting there.

That instead of demanding the introduction of platforming mechanics in a MMORPG, that normally tend to look extremely awkward, and to frustrate to no end the (many) that don't enjoy that kind of gameplay belonging to another genre?

I don't play single player games. Anyway, I can't be bothered getting into an argument of definitions about what an MMORPG is, so I'll just point you to the direction of the jumping thread so you can get out of mine.

[Abriael]

I don't play single player games. Anyway, I can't be bothered getting into an argument of definitions about what an MMORPG is, so I'll just point you to the direction of the jumping thread so you can get out of mine.

You're the one that started the thread talking about jumping (the fact that you did that with a false point doesn't really have any bearing on that, not to mention the fact that your attempt to use this thread to promote the idea that jumping should be implemented was veiled in a quite clumsy way, resulting quite evident), so you can't complain if people talk about jumping in "your" thread.
Mind you, you're even less entitled to complain considering that you, yourself, argued for jumping in this same thread in quite a few posts.

So you use the thread (that you say it's not about jumping) to argue about jumping, but others can't? Or maybe arguing FOR jumping is somehow "in topic", while arguing against it is magically "off topic"?

By the way, starting a thread on a discussion forum doesn't make it "yours". The forum doesn't belong to you, including all it's assets, threads started by you as well.
You can't really tell people that disagree with you to "go away".

[gifthorse]

You're the one that started the thread talking about jumping (the fact that you did that with a false point doesn't really have any bearing on that, not to mention the fact that your attempt to use this thread to promote the idea that jumping should be implemented was veiled in a quite clumsy way, resulting quite evident), so you can't complain if people talk about jumping in "your" thread.
Mind you, you're even less entitled to complain considering that you, yourself, argued for jumping in this same thread in quite a few posts.

So you use the thread (that you say it's not about jumping) to argue about jumping, but others can't? Or maybe arguing FOR jumping is somehow "in topic", while arguing against it is magically "off topic"?

By the way, starting a thread on a discussion forum doesn't make it "yours". The forum doesn't belong to you, including all it's assets, threads started by you as well.
You can't really tell people that disagree with you to "go away".

I'm pretty sure the original thread was a remark upon the many idiosyncracies of the Final Fantasy community. If you think it was a veiled threat to your ideals of jumping then maybe you're just too touchy. Gosh, the fact that you think I was serious about the 'my thread' comments just goes to show that that's the case. Calm down already why don't you.

[Vlaude]

Pick you up at 8!

I'm JUMPING for joy!

[gifthorse]

I'm JUMPING for joy!

Not on our watch you ain't!

This... is... Final... Fantasy!

*kicks you into an endless black pit*

*Oh wait, there's no Z axis so you just hit an invisible wall*

[Kimahri]

Couldn't you say the same thing for every motion?

It's all just as futile when you put it that way.

At least jump adds a sense of accomplishment since you actually have to manually get to the area as opposed to just running along a pre-determined linear path.

What? A pre-determined linear path? What? Wouldn't jump also be considered a pre-determined vertical path even if you smash the space bar?

I'm so sick of using my damn XI references to prove a point, but I can't use XIV because, quite frankly, it sucks. If anyone has ever played the ENM scenario and went after the Hagun ENM, you'll know what I"m talking about. In order to go into the ENM you had to traverse a mountain side with no barriers. That means you could fall off at any given moment if you made the wrong move. This is just like climbing, but with XIV we could improve upon this. When I made it to the top of that mountain the first time, I felt a sense of accomplishment being one of the few.

Trust me. I don't care how many times you post the same thing about jump, there is no logical excuse to implement it in such a way as to hit the space bar manually. You know what? Here, I know. A one way deal. You can only excercise the space bar as a jumping feature while on a certain mission and you're trapped in an instance. Happy?

Call it, "Jump! To the rescue of the Mario Brother's!"

[gifthorse]

What? A pre-determined linear path? What? Wouldn't jump also be considered a pre-determined vertical path even if you smash the space bar?

I'm so sick of using my damn XI references to prove a point, but I can't use XIV because, quite frankly, it sucks. If anyone has ever played the ENM scenario and went after the Hagun ENM, you'll know what I"m talking about. In order to go into the ENM you had to traverse a mountain side with no barriers. That means you could fall off at any given moment if you made the wrong move. This is just like climbing, but with XIV we could improve upon this. When I made it to the top of that mountain the first time, I felt a sense of accomplishment being one of the few.

Trust me. I don't care how many times you post the same thing about jump, there is no logical excuse to implement it in such a way as to hit the space bar manually. You know what? Here, I know. A one way deal. You can only excercise the space bar as a jumping feature while on a certain mission and you're trapped in an instance. Happy?

Call it, "Jump! To the rescue of the Mario Brother's!"

I view linearity as being confined to one specific way of doing things.

Linearity is not in line with the spirit of adventure or exploration which I expect from an MMO. Obviously this is all just subjective. Abriael will go on to say that MMORPGs are about running around killing monsters sitting around in a field, and nothing more, so clearly everyone has their own specific viewpoints. It's a simple case of clashing perspectives, but while I am here, I will explain mine.

Walking upon the ground and not being able to engage with the world around you is one way in which this game falls short at creating an immersive atmosphere. When I imagine a fantasy world, I feel like I should be able to do as I wish within its boundaries. In FFXIV there isn't even the illusion of options, and the boundaries are thereby very narrow. There is one form of movement and its running and walking, and only in predesignated areas.

I see FFXIV like a tunnel, leading me from place to place without even letting me branch off and explore the world they've created, or haven't created, as the case most obviously is.