Level Correlation and it's affect on the Fairy and You

[ckc22]

IMO it's a silent nerf. They did it on purpose and were quiet about it.

My fairy used to embrace for = the heal component of adlo at pretty much all ilvls/gear.

My embrace now does about 1300 while my adlo does close to 2k heal.

Expect to get a "eff off scholars" message when they address this "accepted bug."

[Ghishlain]

I've added data points for a level 51, 52, and 57 SCH. I'll try to get the rest as I go. I also realize I should probably indicate the "+MND/DET" increase needed to match two levels so it's clear on the data sheet.

Most of the healing changes have been noticed post 50, as in 51+. Most people are testing now due to the healing drop off observed in Eos/Selene at 51+.
It is impossible to have done said healing statistics when we did not even know of this scaling problem pre3.0.

^ Pretty much this, to answer you second question, Amaret. Unless I can turn back time, I won't be able to do those tests.

IMO it's a silent nerf. They did it on purpose and were quiet about it.

My fairy used to embrace for = the heal component of adlo at pretty much all ilvls/gear.

My embrace now does about 1300 while my adlo does close to 2k heal.

Expect to get a "eff off scholars" message when they address this "accepted bug."

Funny enough, it's technically not a nerf. Looking at that data I compiled, the Fairy was always meant to grow "negatively" and the difference was to be made up in stats in the gear. If two Scholars have the same MND / Determination / MD but one is a lower level than the other, the lower level SCH will have more powerful spells and Embraces.

This seems to change when you hit post 50+ for the actual caster and is actually either staying even or getting stronger per level, but the Fairy themselves seem to stay on the same negative curve. This is where you're seeing the larger and larger divide as the two curves that were kinda in parallel pre-50 begin to part in opposing directions post-50. Admittedly, I didn't do the high level tests with a level 1 weapon, so the fact that the higher level SCH / WHM has a better cure may be because of the way the stat curve works for the weapons and will probably do some more testing some time this week, comparing my 60 WHM to a 50 WHM.

But as you say, this could just be S-E's way of "nerfing the Fairy" by not touching their growth but positively adjusting the growth of the SCH to put more emphasis on the caster versus the Fairy. Time will tell.

[ckc22]

But as you say, this could just be S-E's way of "nerfing the Fairy" by not touching their growth but positively adjusting the growth of the SCH to put more emphasis on the caster versus the Fairy. Time will tell.

Q: Does the fairy heal significantly less than it used to?
A: Yes

That's all I need to know. It's a nerf and I expect nothing from SE based on what they did for us in the expansion.

[Tsubaki_Blackstar]

This is a depressing thread for a new player/Scholar lol.

[ckc22]

This is a depressing thread for a new player/Scholar lol.

TBH - Scholar is still in a very good place. The biggest 'problems' right now are fairy scaling and the fact that our lvl 60 ability sucks. I mean, I'd like both fixed - but it doesn't make scholar trash or anything. Combined with lustrate change(nerf depending on your feelings) it makes multitasking/DPSing a little harder though.

[Ghishlain]

Added data points for a level 58 SCH to the data sheet. Also added a comparison of an 0 ilvl equal MD / MND / Det 60 WHM versus a 50 WHM as well as an 0 ilvl equal MD /MND / Det 55 SCH versus a 50 SCH.

Q: Does the fairy heal significantly less than it used to?
A: Yes

That's all I need to know. It's a nerf and I expect nothing from SE based on what they did for us in the expansion.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and state the unpopular opinion outright.

True, fairy output is significantly lower when compared to the output the Scholar can bring to the table (Aldo power versus Embrace power at 50 compared to 60)
False, fairy was never weakened during the course of leveling. She only "grew" (shrunk?) by the intended level curve given to her during the inception of the Job.

What actually is happening is the Scholar is getting more powerful as they level. This was different pre-50 when both Scholar and Fairy got slightly weaker on each level. I showed this by showing that a lower level Scholar and Fairy of equal MD / MND / Det to a higher level Scholar and fairy actually outputted a higher Physick / Embrace amount.

Now, the Scholar and White Mage (and by extension, I imagine all the class/jobs) gets stronger as they level past 50, as shown by the fact that a 0ilvl 60 WHM (or 55 SCH) has more power than a 0 ilvl 50 WHM (or 50 SCH) with equal MD / MND / Det.

Why this doesn't occur with the Fairy? Who's to say - for all we know this could be a rather severe oversight on S-E's part and didn't realize they missed the part about the Fairy needs a level curve too.

I'll probably end up putting a bug report up to this effect some time in the near future and see what the "response" is.

This is a depressing thread for a new player/Scholar lol.

Sorry if I scared you =p My intent wasn't to scare new players / Scholars off. Instead, I was to trying to determine why the Fairy doesn't seem to scale properly in a post 50+ environment and see if other theorycrafters can find anything amiss with my logic / testing methodology.

Scholar is still in a really good spot at this time and the only real complaint I have about the Job would be Dissipation.

[Aurelinaus]

Your numbers. From lvl 15-50 it scales at constant rate according to level( i.e. it's scaling). What you believe you are seeing there is not a negative trend. Then from 50-60, Embrace strength remains fixed at constant value while sch heal strentgh scales according to level.

This just shows that the fairy heal is not scaling from lvl 50 onwards.

How was