Thoughts on level 60 scholar ability?

[Gallus]

Is the MP recovered from 3 EDs alot more compared to the MP required to summon a fairy?

Nope, if I remember well you get around 900 MP with one energy drain. Fairy costs 1700+ mana. Best scenario is you land 3 energy drains, kill your own fairy and gain a total of 900 mana while locking out the fairy for the next 30 seconds, not a very good idea imo (in a scenario btw where that fairy is going to be invaluable because regardless your weakness status and your low mana too, she's still going to spam embraces nonstop).

[ckc22]

@Miyu20
I'm not a Scholar Main, so I'm not really clear how much MP you regain from Energy Drain at LV 60, and also unclear how much MP is needed to summon the fairy.

But... unless I'm missing something, what you're doing is basically :
1) Revived, use Aetherflow + ED to get enough mp to summon fairy.
2) Pop Fairy CD
3) Eat Fairy to get Aetherflow to.......ED to get back MP????

Why not just try your best to survive with whatever MP you have after your first Aetherflow?
What's the reasoning behind using the MP you recovered to summon your fairy, then eating it, to get Aetherflow to....recover MP?

Is the MP recovered from 3 EDs alot more compared to the MP required to summon a fairy?

You get about 900 mana IF it hits. Meaning you need 2 of them to hit just to justify the 1800 mana cost of summoning your fairy.

[Miyu20]

@Miyu20
I'm not a Scholar Main, so I'm not really clear how much MP you regain from Energy Drain at LV 60, and also unclear how much MP is needed to summon the fairy.

But... unless I'm missing something, what you're doing is basically :
1) Revived, use Aetherflow + ED to get enough mp to summon fairy.
2) Pop Fairy CD
3) Eat Fairy to get Aetherflow to.......ED to get back MP????

Why not just try your best to survive with whatever MP you have after your first Aetherflow?
What's the reasoning behind using the MP you recovered to summon your fairy, then eating it, to get Aetherflow to....recover MP?

Is the MP recovered from 3 EDs alot more compared to the MP required to summon a fairy?

I get way more than 900 MP for Cleric Stance Energy Draining. You also receive more MP. Using 3 Energy drains back to back also increases the MP regenerated. You receive more than what you used to summon fairy.

And the reason you don't try and survive using that mana is because you can't. With that amount of MP, you don't even have enough mana to do a Succor let alone an Adloqium. You are not surviving just Physick spamming unless DPS suddenly gets good and kills the monsters.\

You get about 900 mana IF it hits. Meaning you need 2 of them to hit just to justify the 1800 mana cost of summoning your fairy.

If it hits? Do you mean Energy Drain? I've never had Energy Drain miss ever. Do you all Energy Drain in Cleric Stance like you should?

[DreamWeaver]

I get way more than 900 MP for Cleric Stance Energy Draining.

I'm sorry, but unless for some reason they changed it in HeavensWard, the MP gained from ED is same whether you're in CS or not.

[ckc22]

I get way more than 900 MP for Cleric Stance Energy Draining. You also receive more MP. Using 3 Energy drains back to back also increases the MP regenerated. You receive more than what you used to summon fairy.

And the reason you don't try and survive using that mana is because you can't. With that amount of MP, you don't even have enough mana to do a Succor let alone an Adloqium. You are not surviving just Physick spamming unless DPS suddenly gets good and kills the monsters.

If it hits? Do you mean Energy Drain? I've never had Energy Drain miss ever. Do you all Energy Drain in Cleric Stance like you should?

Um. No you don't because it restores % of your Max MP. You do not get more for doing it in Cleric Stance. Energy Drain applies damage on hit, meaning it has an accuracy check.

Please... if you don't know what you're talking about don't contribute erroneous information.

[dragoelete]

Um. No you don't because the MP restored by it is static to the level. You do not get more for doing it in Cleric Stance. Energy Drain applies damage on hit, meaning it has an accuracy check.

Please... if you don't know what you're talking about don't contribute erroneous information.

actually if it works like most other mp Regen skills (siphon blade, riot blade, assize, and aetherflow) it Regens based on a percentage of your max MP but either way it doesn't increase in cleric stance. (unless you count the self heal as an increase)

[ckc22]

actually if it works like most other mp Regen skills (siphon blade, riot blade, assize, and aetherflow) it Regens based on a percentage of your max MP but either way it doesn't increase in cleric stance. (unless you count the self heal as an increase)

Either way it certainly doesn't scale with damage or repetitive use...


Edit: nevermind I was right the first time It's by level.

[Gallus]

actually if it works like most other mp Regen skills (siphon blade, riot blade, assize, and aetherflow) it Regens based on a percentage of your max MP but either way it doesn't increase in cleric stance. (unless you count the self heal as an increase)

No, this is wrong, ED doesn't return MP based on your total MP, it just returns a MP fixed value which is attached to your level. If it returned MP based on your total MP, piety would increase the amount given by ED, and it doesn't. It was 266 MP return at level 50 (regardless you had 4k mana or 6k mana) and 900 something (don't remember the exact number) at level 60.

[Miyu20]

Dissipation is not meant to be for every raid use. Emergency situations with Mana are the only time I can justify or when all your fairy cooldowns are blown and you still need more heals (as everything is on CD), this skill is actually better than you might think. Before we just had to sit there and hope the secondary healer can handle everything as we have no more fairy CDs or aetherflows but now, we can Dissipate + Emergency Tactics + Succor and not only have aetherflow stacks back but in the time it takes for Dissipate to be over, some Fairy CDs will be back (atleast Whispering Dawn) and while dissipated, we will have stronger adloqiums and Succor shields.

It's an emergency skill in that if you fuck up with managing your aetherflow stacks and/or Mana (which happens to the best of Scholars) you can make up for that mistake without wiping the party.

[ckc22]

Dissipation is not meant to be for every raid use.
You guys just don't know how to use it, Honestly. It's an emergency skill in that if you fuck up with managing your aetherflow stacks and/or Mana (which happens to the best of Scholars) you can make up for that mistake without wiping the party.

Reading this is getting fucking exhausting. The whole "you just don't know how to use it" argument is tiring and dismissive.

We get it. It's supposed to be an emergency CD. However - it's not a very good one at all. It leaves you worse off than when the emergency began. I imagine the only positive opinions of it come from schs who can't manage their aetherflow stacks in the first place. Also I'm not sure why you'd be just sitting there if you have MP... you do know you have heals that don't require aether?