Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Ipkonfig]

On paper, Thrill + Conv looks like decent "mitigation" but in reality if you take a tank buster with only those two up it's going to be a big chunk of health, most likely causing an emergency reaction from your healer. Healer's emergency heals, outside of Bene, are abilities (Essential Dignity, Tetra, Lustrate) and are unaffected by Convalescence, or Defiance for that matter making them less efficient means of healing which requires your healers to spend more time/mp to boost you back up.

And all the pairings of IB with different cooldowns insinuates you have 5 stacks of wrath ready to rock, which is possible, but would most likely require you to sit on 5 stacks till you need them which really reduces WARs potential, and using Infuriate should be done at zero stacks so you don't waste what you've already built.

[Launched]

And all the pairings of IB with different cooldowns insinuates you have 5 stacks of wrath ready to rock, which is possible, but would most likely require you to sit on 5 stacks till you need them which really reduces WARs potential, and using Infuriate should be done at zero stacks so you don't waste what you've already built.

It's really not hard to learn when tankbusters are coming when all the bossfights are incredibly scripted. You should have IB for every single tankbuster (either from building up Wrath or using Infuriate), and you'll still be able to pop a bunch in between tankbusters because fights were designed with a PLD's longer cooldowns in mind. Even holding onto IB for a couple of GCDs won't make a MT WAR's dps drop much.

[Giantbane]

Healer's emergency heals, outside of Bene, are abilities (Essential Dignity, Tetra, Lustrate) and are unaffected by Convalescence, or Defiance for that matter making them less efficient means of healing which requires your healers to spend more time/mp to boost you back up.

Yes, this is a problem. They're already aware of the issue, hopefully they'll consider fixing it.

So basically to justify taking DRK on a raid you have to not have a MNK in the group, be fighting a boss that deals primarily magical damage, is preferably but not necessarily parryable for access to reprise, and have the ot be a warrior willing to use deliverance because lmao sword oath paladins.

However, both Paladin and Warrior can maintank these fights equally well, without the arbitrary requirement that the boss have a significant magical attack, and be fully optimal to slot in any standard 2-2-4 party composition.

So, we've laid out the long list of arbitrary requirements needed to justify a Dark Knight in the group. What advantages does this afford the group, if any, that could not be had by replacing the Dark Knight with a Warrior or Paladin and allowing for more flexibility?

I think DRK MT + WAR OT is going to be the best for magic fights since the DRK's anti-magic abilities are strong and you get the WAR's SP/SE and great DPS. So I'm anticipating the best raid setup may be to have your PLD level a DRK and swap classes based on the fight.

I mean, I don't think this is good balance, but I think that's where it is right now for those looking to min/max.

[Seku]

Yes, this is a problem. They're already aware of the issue, hopefully they'll consider fixing it.



I think DRK MT + WAR OT is going to be the best for magic fights since the DRK's anti-magic abilities are strong and you get the WAR's SP/SE and great DPS. So I'm anticipating the best raid setup may be to have your PLD level a DRK and swap classes based on the fight.

I mean, I don't think this is good balance, but I think that's where it is right now for those looking to min/max.

Their going to need to make some harder hitting magical attacks then. As the floor 4 alexander, I can already be in Sword oath MTing. Mix between vit and str accessories and deal with the mechanics of the little yellow orbs and lasers... and if things really go to shit, back up heals since I can't block any way....

Though to be fair, I'm willing to bet DRK could probably do the same. Though no self maintenance and cures for the party..

[Krr]

I think DRK MT + WAR OT is going to be the best for magic fights since the DRK's anti-magic abilities are strong and you get the WAR's SP/SE and great DPS. So I'm anticipating the best raid setup may be to have your PLD level a DRK and swap classes based on the fight.

I mean, I don't think this is good balance, but I think that's where it is right now for those looking to min/max.

Yeah, fair enough. DRK MT | WAR OT is probably the highest party DPS you can achieve as well since it enables NIN | DRG (battle litany + TA), but probably not by a terribly huge margin.