Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Ampheni]

Those guys are just complete idiots, or the DRKs they met are simply BAD. I have my bismarck ex clear and I also have my Ravana EX clear, heck I have even gotten my Hive Claymore now. And 4 out of those 10 clears was me solo tanking, and the other 6 was me OT'ing as DRK (Ravana Ex). Kicking you for being a DRK in Bismarck EX? I call bs.

[Daerthalus]

Those guys are just complete idiots, or the DRKs they met are simply BAD.

While I agree that all the Current Ex Content is 100% doable with a DRK MT, OT or even full DRK MT+OT Party, the real reason behind it remains the same.
No one wants to use a rusty old bicycle to go from point A to point B, if they can use a nice fresh new one at the same price. Both will get you there, they may even do it in the same time, but with one you are working much harder than the other. Why work harder for the same thing, if you do not have to.

Can you clear the EXs with a DRK? Yes.
Is it easier with an equally skilled WAR or PLD? Yes
Is it easier to find an equally skilled PLD or WAR? Yes
Is it still easier with a less skilled PLD or WAR ? Probably

So basically, many things are stacked against you.

... I am sad to say that I'm currently leveling my 50 War to 60 as we speak.

[Delorean]

So basically, many things are stacked against you.

Yeah, like a community full of players that can't play the game and have to find excuses for why it is okay that they are bad.

I was doing a Bis EX last night and the DPS couldn't pass the DPS check and the other tank was playing like they were colorblind. no one was paying attention, no one was listening. Well not no one, but not enough.

running two DRK was the absolute least of that group's worries considering that most of the people in there were overgeared for it. Getting hit by tornados, dying to snake debuffs, letting me die on tank swap etc. etc. the list goes on and on

and it's the exact same for anyone else that is spewing any of this crap.

[Kiteless]

Yeah, like a community full of players that can't play the game and have to find excuses for why it is okay that they are bad.

I was doing a Bis EX last night and the DPS couldn't pass the DPS check and the other tank was playing like they were colorblind. no one was paying attention, no one was listening. Well not no one, but not enough.

running two DRK was the absolute least of that group's worries considering that most of the people in there were overgeared for it. Getting hit by tornados, dying to snake debuffs, letting me die on tank swap etc. etc. the list goes on and on

and it's the exact same for anyone else that is spewing any of this crap.

We get it, you can play the class decently. So can I and many other people on this forum. But it doesn't change the fact that DRK is objectively worse than all the other tanks to a sizeable degree, and that other people are using it as an excuse (justifiably so or not, that is irrelevant) to avoid playing with us entirely.

[Lorielle]

We get it, you can play the class decently. So can I and many other people on this forum. But it doesn't change the fact that DRK is objectively worse than all the other tanks to a sizeable degree, and that other people are using it as an excuse (justifiably so or not, that is irrelevant) to avoid playing with us entirely.

The funny thing about this is that DRK DPS isn't bad at all. While yes, Warrior can push some numbers, no doubt about that, they have the tools to do so. But no one bats an eye when it comes to Paladin DPS. While I cannot say personally myself how they are now, I am informed that DRK come on top over them. The issue isn't DRK's DPS(It's a freaking tank, it's the last thing you're worried about), it's their survivability kit and THAT wasn't even what's being considered. Maybe we should start Running WAR/DRK so we can meet DPS checks? What? No? Why not? Oh right. :x

[Kiteless]

The funny thing about this is that DRK DPS isn't bad at all. While yes, Warrior can push some numbers, no doubt about that, they have the tools to do so. But no one bats an eye when it comes to Paladin DPS. While I cannot say personally myself how they are now, I am informed that DRK come on top over them. The issue isn't DRK's DPS(It's a freaking tank, it's the last thing you're worried about), it's their survivability kit and THAT wasn't even what's being considered. Maybe we should start Running WAR/DRK so we can meet DPS checks? What? No? Why not? Oh right. :x

No, DRK actually ends up having lower DPS than PLD after about 2 minutes of fighting (as an OT, about 2 and a half as MT), thanks to its woeful TP issues, and is a far cry from what WAR is capable regardless. However, it is worth noting DRK's weak DPS when considered with its poor defensive abilities, since it helps to establish the fact that DRK is a class that is almost completely devoid of any real strengths outside of AoE enmity generation (which the other tanks have never had a problem with anyway).

[Lorielle]

No, DRK actually ends up having lower DPS than PLD after about 2 minutes of fighting (as an OT, about 2 and a half as MT), thanks to its woeful TP issues

I'm really confused how this works. How is DRK parsing lower than PLD exactly? TP Starve? PLD has the same exact TP costs as DRK. They -should- be seeing the same point of starvation if they're doing the typical combos. 70 > 60 > 60. Now don't mind me, I'm just curious. I don't know what PLD's new Offensive abilities are if that should even factor into it.