Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[SirTaint]

how many people here even have their sights set on savage though?

that's my point - all this obsession with min maxing and most people play in a group where it doesn't matter and are holding themselves to a standard for a facet of content they will probably not even complete.

if you are focusing on that content then you know that you can't expect a developer to fix your favorite class for you to play and you will have to use what you've got.

but for this low end stuff? every class is viable

You brought up "one of the best groups" since when do the best groups not attempt the only real endgame raid? Alexander Savage (HM or whatever its final name is) is the new coil. Alexander normal is CT level. Bis EX and Ravana EX are barely mid level content especially compared to the previous primals.

My point was every class via for the current game but when endgame begins in two weeks all the flaws of every class will be exposed. I do not predict too many DRKs being used during Progression but I'm sure there will be a few.

[Delorean]

My point was every class via for the current game but when endgame begins in two weeks all the flaws of every class will be exposed. I do not predict too many DRKs being used during Progression but I'm sure there will be a few.

and i get that

but for most players any change will not be making a lot of difference. you can't depend on developers at that level, you have to make due with what you have. the player in question has also leveled paladin, I suspect just in case they decide that they need it. or maybe they prefer it, i do not know - but they have played it for now and done fine with it so this "A DRK is going to make my Ravana harder" crap is just lol

and it'll be crap when alexander opens up too

Or....they balance encounters with tank dps in mind because....spoiler alert: tanks do damage too

well i've said it before and i'll say it again - if you are relying on a tank for damage on a DPS check there is a 99.9% chance that there is something else wrong with your group like not executing mechanics correctly, having bad DPS damage output or you are pushing content early.

a lot of people fancy themselves amazing players but most people really can't even imagine what it is like to be going for server ranks when it is really competitive. it's literally staring at a dragon until it kills you longer than you have probably ever worked. pre-prepared meals ready to eat cold during short breaks. grueling hours and hours of wiping to the same shit, just to do it again tomorrow or next week or to fuck with a boss that is just as hard as that one next.

if a good tank only does as much DPS as a bad DPS can do it is not going to hurt you much to be missing 15% of that on content that was designed for many players to access. your job as a tank is to survive and make your damage spikes predictable or easier to deal with.

when you are on that level, then you can worry about your tank's DPS

it's like yeah u can look back and be like well if we had a WAR instead of a DRK... but there's a pretty good chance you can also be like Well if WHM didnt get stunned and die to mechanic and MNK would have been attacking the right target or if BRD would figure out a way to stop kiting like dogshit...