Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[RubenSnizzle]

So...are the DRK main, finally noticing that DRK is only a Second Hand tank? Not excellent at MT if a PLD is in the party and not excellent at OT if a WAR is in the party?

Sure you can hold your own and blah blah, but most of the skills DRK has is to benefit itself only, doesn't help much the group compared to pld&war.

You can complain to me about their skills VS pld&war, but it's just my opinion.

Face it, DRK is just an outcast, even i, who absolutely loved DRK first-hand, started to really despise their end-game skills because it LACKS.

[Ipkonfig]

Boy all these poor DRKs crying makes me sad . Just focus on the class and learn to tank with it. DRK is great. Doesn't get out damaged by PLD by the way. I don't know why people keep saying that, Royal Authority's combo is lower average potency than anything a DRK can do, and Goring Blade is also gated by a combo while Scourge is just a stand alone 500 potency. I'm typically 150 to 200 DPS higher than a PLD.

Actually was doing a Bis Ex clear for a member today and the PLD tank got knocked off right at the beginning of the third phase and I tanked all three adds for the rest of the fight till we cleared. But yea, third rate tank. Please just actually TRY and learn the class instead of being terrible with it and calling it bad.

[Xenosan]

.. I tanked all three adds for the rest of the fight till we cleared.

Somewhere there's a healer going unappreciated

[FinalWolf]

Boy all these poor DRKs crying makes me sad . Just focus on the class and learn to tank with it. DRK is great. Doesn't get out damaged by PLD by the way. I don't know why people keep saying that, Royal Authority's combo is lower average potency than anything a DRK can do, and Goring Blade is also gated by a combo while Scourge is just a stand alone 500 potency. I'm typically 150 to 200 DPS higher than a PLD.

Actually was doing a Bis Ex clear for a member today and the PLD tank got knocked off right at the beginning of the third phase and I tanked all three adds for the rest of the fight till we cleared. But yea, third rate tank. Please just actually TRY and learn the class instead of being terrible with it and calling it bad.

Nope we gotta stick with PLD/WAR only for the next 9 years good times

[Skyhunter]

I haven't had any trouble with DRK at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not totally convinced that I won't let it replace my PLD as my primary tanking class. In playing though, I've yet to have anybody complain to be about being a DRK, nor cause any wipes because of a lack of abilities to use.

As a healer, my least favorite tank to have is still warrior, but that's just personal nit-picking and I am still able to play through content just fine so long as said warrior isn't a complete idiot. Ultimately that's been what it's come down to for me, though... whether or not the person tanking is a good player, not which class they are using. If anything, I think the reason DRK MIGHT seem bad to some people is because all the green tanks that instantly picked it up at release, thus not having time to ease into the tanking job like they would had they started with PLD or WAR.

[Jahaudant]

As a DRK, even after they fixed double DA, I can still pull 800 DPS (1000-0 TP) on dummy, and in BisEX my fight average is always around 600 DPS. For the carapace phases we have pretty solid burst with our oGCDs and MP dumping with chain DA's. I am usually above at least 1 real DPS class which is nice, but pretty sad if you think about it.

[Vire]

As a DRK, even after they fixed double DA, I can still pull 800 DPS (1000-0 TP) on dummy, and in BisEX my fight average is always around 600 DPS. For the carapace phases we have pretty solid burst with our oGCDs and MP dumping with chain DA's. I am usually above at least 1 real DPS class which is nice, but pretty sad if you think about it.

Yeah pulling 800 DPS on a dummy 1000-0 TP is great except that no fight in the end game is going to last 2 minutes so the whole point is that even if you have higher dps then a war for 2 mins that war is going to kill you over 5 mins which is what most fights in this game is balanced having small tp regen breaks with.

Its not that DRK is broken like war was in 2.0. Its just that they are objectively worst in every aspect to one or the other tank. Sure you can clear everything with one but your basically asking for charity from your group because if they took some one else they would be more effective.

[Tila]

A lot of people in these threads are confusing

"Is useable"

with

"Is viable"

Just because the DRK is capable of doing the content does not mean they are in an ok place. WAR and PLD are just plain better. Some of the mental gymnastics that people use to prove other tanks arent as good is just hilarious at that. Like saying that defiance isnt real mitigation because it just ups the HP: ignoring the fact that one big point of defiance is that it also improves healing effects. Or how I have many times seen people comparing DRK skills to other tank skills minus the new HW ones.

[PWilson]

A lot of people in these threads are confusing

"Is useable"

with

"Is viable"

Just because the DRK is capable of doing the content does not mean they are in an ok place. WAR and PLD are just plain better. Some of the mental gymnastics that people use to prove other tanks arent as good is just hilarious at that. Like saying that defiance isnt real mitigation because it just ups the HP: ignoring the fact that one big point of defiance is that it also improves healing effects. Or how I have many times seen people comparing DRK skills to other tank skills minus the new HW ones.

It's a legitimate confusion.
If the DRK is capable of performing the content, then who really cares if other tanks can do it better, other than folks who get into wankery about minmaxing?

[Krissey]

Like saying that defiance isnt real mitigation because it just ups the HP: ignoring the fact that one big point of defiance is that it also improves healing effects.

One day, just like with the screen shot of the huge crit Fel Cleave, you will see a healer post a screen shot of like an 11k Cure II on a Warrior Tank who was in Defiance with the other Paladin cross-class HP+ healing effect skill on, with a mind potion popped, with full healing cooldowns and people will be like "Omg WHM so OP for heals." All perfect conditions with all the +Healing and stuff for the ultimate screen shot.