In NA, FFXI released one year after it did in JP

[Kerath]

I have given this a lot of thought while even in alpha. FFXI was released approximately one year in NA after it was released in JP. I have no idea what the launch was like on the PS2 in JP, I am sure it wasn't as bad as what we got in FFXIV. What I want to say is maybe FFXIV isn't too far off from what FFXI was one year later. In the next few months we will have jobs, stable severs (though still laggy), chocobos, airships, dungeons, and a market system you can get some gear and items from. I am not saying any of these features are solid, but they aren't totally broken either (except the server lag). I know FFXI came out on PC back in 2003 for NA and maybe the new experience of playing an MMO in the context of FF, plus the 8 years of development have created unrealistic expectations for FFXIV. Now that we have reached the one year mark and new leadership has taken over with less than a year's influence. I think we should start to really judge the game in January of 2012, the anniversary of Yoshida san taking direction for FFXIV. What I think we will find is a different game than FFXI and a decent game for us to play and enjoy.


PS: SE please dont release the PS3 version till 3 months after FFXIII-2 in NA...just saying.

[Neptune]

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release. But anyway, I think you're just trying to say "maybe it's not so bad after all". I think it is so bad, but it will work out. I hope some of us can argue successfully here in favor of this game being a lot more fun than it will be if it merely copies and pastes FFXI.

[Nero]

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release.

Thank you for confirming that you dont know what you are talking about.

[Duuude007]

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release.

Well, let's go with this assumption and compare notes.

JP release occured about 1 year before US release

6 months before US release, a viable auction house was implemented, as well as fully functional chocobos and airship

This is post beta as you claim, and yet on par with this next patch.

Upon US release, rank cap was raised for the first time, and expanded zones. This occured largely because it was implemented along with the first expansion, Rise of Zilart.

Apart from cap raise, we have already been gaining expanded zones, bit by bit. At any rate, I think it is harsh to say that this game is inferior to that of FFXI at the same stage, it was merely the point that they were generous enough to release it globally at the same time rather than what they did in FFXI. Yes, it came with unforeseen complications, but that doesnt mean they haven't made impressive progress, considering the conditions.

[Neptune]

6 months before US release, a viable auction house was implemented, as well as fully functional chocobos and airship

The NA beta was about 6 months before the release, if I remember right and.. yeah you're right! 6 months after release the game was looking a lot better than this game is right now, a year after release. Just sayin'.

[Nero]

The NA beta was about 6 months before the release, if I remember right and.. yeah you're right! 6 months after release the game was looking a lot better than this game is right now, a year after release. Just sayin'.

You still dont know what you are talking about, like i said a couple posts ago. If you point out that FFXI was "looking better in beta" than FFXIV is right now, then bring on your facts. If you cant fact out things, you obviously fail with these kind of comments...

"I am right, cause i say so"..

is totally fitting your current attitude.

[XxOstiaxX]

You still dont know what you are talking about, like i said a couple posts ago. If you point out that FFXI was "looking better in beta" than FFXIV is right now, then bring on your facts. If you cant fact out things, you obviously fail with these kind of comments...

"I am right, cause i say so"..

is totally fitting your current attitude.

You are the one that does not knows what he is talking about, FFXI was miles ahead of FFXIV at the same point in time, that is a year after release in japan, you also have to take in consideration that when FFXI launched, MMO'S where not mainstream, so SE had a chance to experiment, to implement their idea's(Like having no AH for istance) FFXIV launched 10 years later, when MMO'S are very popular, when there is a giant tittle that has 11 million subscribers, and every other MMO that launches and ends up in the burner atleast sell's 2-3mil boxes.

Ofcourse FFXI looked better by betta than this game did, it was a different time for MMO'S

[Dargoth_Draconia]

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release. But anyway, I think you're just trying to say "maybe it's not so bad after all". I think it is so bad, but it will work out. I hope some of us can argue successfully here in favor of this game being a lot more fun than it will be if it merely copies and pastes FFXI.

You say this but I have talked to several players who played Japanese beta and Japanese launch and told me the state of FFXI was worse than the state of FFXIV at launch. They said not until the first expansion Rise of Zilart was the game really in a playable state.

[Wolfie]

You say this but I have talked to several players who played Japanese beta and Japanese launch and told me the state of FFXI was worse than the state of FFXIV at launch. They said not until the first expansion Rise of Zilart was the game really in a playable state.

Does it really matter? FFXI is a decade old. There is absolutely no reason to use FFXI's launch state as an excuse for FFXIV's launch state.

[Roaran]

Does it really matter? FFXI is a decade old. There is absolutely no reason to use FFXI's launch state as an excuse for FFXIV's launch state.

The point is, in both games they made a similar decision. If you think it was a bad idea, releasing FFXI early; then you would think they had learned nothing from that "mistake," and made the same decision in regards to FFXIV.

BUT, if you think the early release of FFXI helped contribute to FFXI becoming a better game, then SE would have done the same thing for FFXIV.


Remember FFXI Lasted for years and will last for more years to come. What the initial reactions are and what the state of the initial release pales in comparison to what the game WILL be in 2-3 years. In both FFXI and FFXIV they released each game at the same critical stage, where they needed actual player feedback. Because the actual state of the game 2-3 years from now is immensely more important than what the initial reaction is, SE released both games early for the same reasons.

My point has been and still is; NOONE can argue that THE ACTUAL STATE OF THE GAME TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE would have been better if FFXIV remained in SE's hands completely. If it hadn't been for the player feedback at such a critical time, many features would not have been changed, many plans would not have been made, and there would not be as much pressure as there is now. Plus we wouldn't have Yoshi either.