Hopefully Alexander/Savage will be 24 mans.

[Zfz]

When designing this game, the devs made a conscious decision to make this a theme park MMO, i.e. accessibility being at the forefront of its goals. Hence making content for the minority is of very low priority.

Housing...I'd like to think of it as a royal mess up.

[Nestama]

Pretty much whatever the game designer wants to call a raid, is a raid XD

Well of course, but I'm just throwing sticks at this point :P

[FoxyAreku]

It seems that from the tweet the developers are going to make the 8 mans the more casual version: Like Crystal Tower. The 24 man's will be the new coils. =D

Can't wait to see whats going to happen!

That's the exact opposite of what they've been saying. I'm not sure where you're getting your information.

[Felis]

It seems that from the tweet the developers are going to make the 8 mans the more casual version: Like Crystal Tower. The 24 man's will be the new coils. =D

Can't wait to see whats going to happen!

To remember you, Alex is coming in 8 man (normal) mode next week, difficulty between CT and Coil, and in 8 man (Savage) mode in 2 1/2 weeks, difficulty aboth Coil, not as 24 man.
The dev you speak have mean the normal mode.

A 24 man raid is planned for 3.1 in 3 months

[ShaneDawn]

So, instead of actually fixing class issues, you'd rather make the SAVAGE raid into a 24-man so that they can find a place to fit in? So much band-aid, and it just sounds like you want to dumb down the hardest content.

As said before, 3.1 is planned to introduce a new 24-man raid. No, it will not be considered "the hardest raid out there". I have no qualms in having hard 24-man content, but the higher the player cap, the more leeway the devs have to put into raids. The Savage raids will always be 8-man (although 4-man could be interesting too), as in a small party setting everyone's effort really matters and it's just the right number in making working, yet challenging mechanics. If someone's skill level is not high enough for the hardest stuff, maybe they should just not do them. No point in dumbing down *Savage* content to make it less *Savage*, no?

[ShaneDawn]

Bards and Machinists do need a buff, but not in this kind of a band-aid fix to make them even remotely relevant. And if you're having issues finding a party, just join an FC. We have several bards whom we gladly take among us. And the fact is, those classes are gonna be desired in Savage content anyways because the healers are gonna run dry of mp anyways.

Fact is, if you're a good player, you're gonna find a slot for you, no matter what class you play. Some people may be bias about certain classes, but skill>gear/clads always.

[StrejdaTom]

CT 1 - 3 are easy as hell and still some people managed to form it into wipefest.
24man content will never be as hard and challenging as 8man raids and I believe that these raids are what keeps some people in this game including me. So nope. Alexander is 8man and I am glad for it.

[Pluvia]

I really don't want a 24man raid that isn't CT like. It becomes more of a pain to deal with loot and scheduling then if you have 8 people. If they want to add 24man raids then add it with the same drops that way people have a choice (spoiler alert: most people will still do 8man because 24man raiding just flat out sucks to do coming form a heroic/mythic raider from WoW)

[Walfan]

24man content will never be as hard and challenging as 8man raids

I highly doubt the people who say this in this thread actually ever tried hard 20+ man content.
It's a real group effort of coordination and is extremely satisfying when you finally pull it through. 8 man raiding lacks that little spark.
Don't start with the "half the raid showing up" and all that jazz argument, it is a complete fallacy. If you're truly serious about doing hard content you'll find other serious people, just like in any other MMO, or any other thing that requires commitment in life for that matter.

In the end I don't know why it has to be a "this or that" and not "this and that", 20+ man raiding is arguably a better experience but requires far more effort, time and dedication, while 8 man raiding is a bit less difficult and spectacular but is far more convenient (some also prefer the closer knit group), so why not have both ? WoW did it fine and people were perfectly happy with it.

[Verius_Nox]

All increased pool size of players for a raid does is cause teams to stack the FOTM's.

Source: Experience.