SP - OMG!! Just Fix It.

[Coglin]

It does reflect the level, otherwise all the NM or bosses would be level 305+ to reflect their HP and damage they deal... A marmot is a marmot, no matter what level isn't supposed to kill a Knight in Full Plate with a few blows. A Dragon on the other hand, should be. I'm talking about within level range situation.

what ? Your saying a level 1 dragon should destroy a level 50 player while a level 50 marmot should not harm a level 1 player.

Sound to me as if someone is making a failed attempt to apply there personal scewed perspective of the graphics of a creature onto its abilities and stats.

[zzapp]

This was mentioned in another thread a while ago too but I don't agree.

While there should be a clear difference in the stats and ability of different families, if the level 40 eft is stronger than the level 40 marmot and gives more exp than why is that marmot considered to be level 40? It makes mob families very unbalanced, makes knowing what to fight difficult, makes the mob's whole level worthless, nothing more than an arbitrary number rather than a representation of the monster's strength.




But shouldn't the effort put in also reflect the level of the mob?

For example, using the mobs above:
A marmot is small and fast but not as strong as the eft. Its attacks do less damage but come at a faster rate than than of the eft, its speed also gives it higher evasion in comparison to the bulky slow body. Two mobs, two different families, two different fights but the overall fight should be balanced.

what ? Your saying a level 1 dragon should destroy a level 50 player while a level 50 marmot should not harm a level 1 player.

Sound to me as if someone is making a failed attempt to apply there personal scewed perspective of the graphics of a creature onto its abilities and stats.

Thank you!!! You both nailed this.

When I con a mob, it should reflect a level of difficulty in relation to my rank. If the current rank 30 mole is easier than the current rank 30 raptor, then reflect that in a reduction in the mole rank, or an increase in the raptor rank - it's a pretty simple concept.

For those of you that think this makes the game too 'vanilla', not so. Certain mob families will be more/less conducive to fighting depending on your class. Bones parties from ffxi come to mind, or manaburns, etc. I'm not at all advocating this uniqueness be eliminated, just a standardized SP vs. difficulty for all mobs in the game.

[Konachibi]

All I want to know is why does a Firestarter Imp use ice spells??

The family<>SP thing does work. A marmot is small and weak but fast, but with enough accuracy you can flatten one in seconds, so it doesn't give much SP. A humanoid enemy has a 'medium' amount of health and hits for a fair amount, it's as hard for you to beat as you are for it to beat, so it gives a fair amount of SP. A crab is a walking fortress, armoured to the core and hits like a truck, they're hard to beat if you're not covered head to foot in titanium, so the SP they reward is pretty good. Roselings are physically weak and quite slow moving, they don't have much in the way of health, but they have abilities that can switch you from ahead to dead in a matter of seconds, so the SP they give is quite good.

That's my take on it anyways.

[Viridiana]

All I want to know is why does a Firestarter Imp use ice spells??

The family<>SP thing does work. A marmot is small and weak but fast, but with enough accuracy you can flatten one in seconds, so it doesn't give much SP. A humanoid enemy has a 'medium' amount of health and hits for a fair amount, it's as hard for you to beat as you are for it to beat, so it gives a fair amount of SP. A crab is a walking fortress, armoured to the core and hits like a truck, they're hard to beat if you're not covered head to foot in titanium, so the SP they reward is pretty good. Roselings are physically weak and quite slow moving, they don't have much in the way of health, but they have abilities that can switch you from ahead to dead in a matter of seconds, so the SP they give is quite good.

That's my take on it anyways.

Except that those're all things that seem like they could be covered under the "level" banner. For all that everything else in this game seems to be based off of the difference in levels, for some reason SP seems to be the outlier. Rank matters for SP, but for some reason family matters more. . .

[Konachibi]

Except that those're all things that seem like they could be covered under the "level" banner. For all that everything else in this game seems to be based off of the difference in levels, for some reason SP seems to be the outlier. Rank matters for SP, but for some reason family matters more. . .

Well I know what you mean.

Crafting is much the same. Without using facilities it's hard to make copper/bronze/iron/whatever nuggets but the SP they give for making them is terrible. However when you then go and make something out of those nuggets, which could be easier to make, you can get crazy amounts of SP.
(E.G/ Making Brass Nuggets at Rank 15 Goldsmith is uber hard without facilities but only gives like, 50 SP, but then the Brass ring you can make from them which is easier to make without facilities can give 500 SP, what's the deal with that?)

It is kind of daft that a rank 15 Roseling gives more SP than a rank 20 Marmot...

[MariyaShidou]

what ? Your saying a level 1 dragon should destroy a level 50 player while a level 50 marmot should not harm a level 1 player.

Sound to me as if someone is making a failed attempt to apply there personal scewed perspective of the graphics of a creature onto its abilities and stats.

Did you read the last part? Within Level range situation. L2R.

And for your point, all the NM/bosses need to be level 300+, and they are no longer NM/boss but just another high level mob.

In many MMORPGs not just FFXIV, instanced dungeon mobs are vastly overpowered compared to open world mobs while being the same level as a mean to encourage partying.

[Jynx]

just a standardized SP vs. difficulty for all mobs in the game.

Get back to me when you get around to balancing every monster in the game to be just as "Hard" as the next one. Some monsters are weaker than others, even if you level them up.

Then again I guess in some worlds people think a rank 30 marmot should be able to stand toe to toe with a rank 30 drake. Think of it as monsters having tiers outside of just their rank. Just like a gimped rank 30 will do less damage and last nowhere near as long as a pimped out rank 30 player!

Marmots are the gimps of the monster community.

[MariyaShidou]

Then again I guess in some worlds people think a rank 30 marmot should be able to stand toe to toe with a rank 30 drake.

Pokemon! Marmot I choose you!

[Sontawila]

All changes I hear are for battle classes. What about discipline of hand and land classes? Those really need some serious love as well since leveling those up is more a chore than actual play.

[DeadRiser]

OMFG Are we really being serious about broken SP?

Yes it is really broken right now. You can gain almost 100k or more from a leve party. That's ridiculous imo and should be nerfed. This game is supposed to have a grind and here people are ranking up like they are getting free samples at walmart. NO