Thavnairian Bustier - evidence that SE adores Gil sellers.

[Kaedan]

OP, you are contradicting yourself with every post.

In the same breath you claim that you don't want it made easy to obtain, but also say it's too hard to obtain.

There is no middle ground. If they want it rare/difficult to obtain (they do), then they have to have it like it is. Anything less and it is "easy". The most difficult parts of it are the treasure map drop and the reduction mats. If those were changed to something else, it would no longer be rare/difficult to obtain. You berate people for "attacking and belittleing first, think and reaon never", when that's exactly what you're doing.

[Kathryn]

I think it's cute. :c

Maybe not 70mil worth of Gil cute. But still cute.

This, it's a nice outfit and only the people with more gil than sense would pay those absurd prices.

I can understand crafters wanting to make Gil from their creations but these prices far outweigh that actual value of the item though I would have really enjoyed this outfit in jet black for my BLM Glamour I'm not this stupid to pay those prices i'll wait til one of my fc members can help me with it and get it moderately cheaper.

[erish]

So you're saying you're just terrible at making money?

Id guess that 20million ( Excalibur price was last night ) is not what people would call small change to the average player. Yes making money is easy no on has ever said otherwise but 20million for vanity item is a little extreme.

There is no middle ground. If they want it rare/difficult to obtain (they do), then they have to have it like it is. Anything less and it is "easy". The most difficult parts of it are the treasure map drop and the reduction mats. If those were changed to something else, it would no longer be rare/difficult to obtain. You berate people for "attacking and belittleing first, think and reaon never", when that's exactly what you're doing.

U wut bro? No middle ground? utter madness there are ways to do things that are perfectly middle ground. For example the first swimsuits introduced through fishing IMO were the perfect ideal of middle ground. Yes it took some work to get the crafts up to par but the abilty to get the items once the craft was leveled with appropiate gear (and no it didnt require millions for fully melded gear) was easy enough. Proof enough was that price crashed from the millions to a couple of hundred k in a week or so.

Im sure they will probably add the items to dungeon drops or purchasable with tomes in future patchs but considering they actively came out and said they wanted to make these items easier to obtain, and yet every new item that is added such as this counters exactly what they have said. This leads to posters like the OP and Kaedan who have heard and seen both things from SE and belive each other to be right.

[Kaedan]

U wut bro? No middle ground? utter madness there are ways to do things that are perfectly middle ground. For example the first swimsuits introduced through fishing IMO were the perfect ideal of middle ground. Yes it took some work to get the crafts up to par but the abilty to get the items once the craft was leveled with appropiate gear (and no it didnt require millions for fully melded gear) was easy enough. Proof enough was that price crashed from the millions to a couple of hundred k in a week or so.

That's not middle ground, that's easy. The very fact prices dropped from millions to hundreds of k is proof of that. Either they make the mats difficult to obtain (i.e. through drops, not crafting or gathering), or they don't. And if they don't, then it's easy... i.e. not rare/difficult to obtain. No middle ground.

[thunderbreak]

I'm thinking SE should get rid of Market Board, and make all items in-tradable.

That'll force people to start crafting classes, it'll eliminate requirement to buy gil for crafting and socketing (also cut a major income method for RMT), and there won't be people who's super rich and people who's super poor due to selling things on MB.

Sounds like these things are what majority of you are bitching about.

[Eul]

I'm pretty sure this gonna become cheap in few months like Coeurl Swimsuit, Spring Outfit and Taffeta Outfit.

[erish]

That's not middle ground, that's easy. The very fact prices dropped from millions to hundreds of k is proof of that. Either they make the mats difficult to obtain (i.e. through drops, not crafting or gathering), or they don't. And if they don't, then it's easy... i.e. not rare/difficult to obtain. No middle ground.

lol i dont even know. If you want to see everything in black and white thats fine. These can be obtained through time grinding tasks that the average player can do easily ( read relic quest line in 2.0, before if just became a rng stupid fest ), this is an example of middle ground. Something someone can work towards with realistic goals while for example raiders could obtain same stuff at a much quicker pace. In case your misunderstanding my point ill spell it out there is middle ground just because you cant see it/dont belive it exsists doesnt mean it wont/cant and hasnt worked before in this very game.

[Silver_bells]

You want a civilized discussion? I'll bite.

Someone mentioned "don't say these things are easy - just because they're easy for you, doesn't mean they're easy for others". Let's play this argument - let's assume the common player doesn't have 20m gil available at all, a fair assumption. From the complaints I've seen, the average player seems to have anywhere from 100k to 2m. A lot of players like to be snark about how 18m is actually pocket change (since, depending on the point of view, it is) but they don't explain why. So let me try to elaborate.

I don't think RMT matters in this situation, especially not in the servers you mentioned. The amount of gil wealthy players have is really, really high. There are way more super wealthy players than you think. These are not necessarily crafters, they can be:

Combat Spiritbonders
DoH/DoL Spiritbonders
Primal/Coil run sellers
Gatherers
Market players
Estate resellers

Some of these are nasty activities depending on whom you ask, but all of these people exist, and they have huge amounts of Gil. The average player who's actively playing the game with a financial mindset should have at least 10m, usually 30m-50m. More seasoned players have 100m+. Almost all of the 1.0 veterans I've seen who play the market have at least 100m-200m. And then there are the whales with 500m,1b,2b,4b+.

What do all of these players have in common? RMT is irrelevant to them. The people buying these glamours have an insane amount of Gil. 18m is pretty much pocket change to these players. I can't stress this enough - the order of magnitude of Gil some players have is enormous.

So let's take a look at what's happening right now. What is happening is that all of these people who accumulated mountains of gil finally have a reason to spend their gil. And as a consequence the people who can provide any service is having a rain of gil poured over them. I don't think Square/anyone saw these prices coming (much less planned it), since these items arent particularly rare - this price is entirely based on the mid-tier crafters being aware of the whales holding tons of gil. They may seen rare now but this is gonna change eventually - as others have pointed out, this bubble won't last.


I do want to point out one thing, the issue with crafting at the moment. People like to say that glamour is the true endgame, and while they say it as a joke, it is nevertheless true in the economical sense. The insane price of glamour in general is a consequence of the high entry cost of crafting and the fact crafting is for all intents and purposes useless for gearing for combat. You're stuck selling cosmetic items and gear for crafters. House furnishing sells slow and even things that sell for millions arent really profitable due to the liquidity risk, which is very high. Every glamour item is eventually going to be subject to that - even the Thavnairian Bustier.

Let me say I do understand your position, though. The entry cost to being able to make gil in this game tends to be high, and if you're not used to it you're bound to miss opportunities that are transparent to seasoned players. This is extremely frustrating and disencouraging. Lastly, I am not gonna lie - I find the price of these items a little awkward. With that said, it is not bad that there are some crazy expensive cosmetic stuff, otherwise all that gil I pointed out wont come down. It is most unfortunate that sometimes this is stuff that's of interest to you, but do try to take advantage of the situations and see how they are profitable, be calm (since the items ARE gonna crash eventually!) and sooner than later you'll find yourself having all the toys you wanted.

I do hope my point of view offered you some new perspective on the issue at hand. Hopefully you'll have your Thavnairian Bustier!

[RaquelleAvarosa]

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You are my hero <3

[BreathlessTao]

Y'know, as much as I can see certain things, like how so much gil needs to go somewhere, how crafting needs to be kept relevant, etc... I'm just not sure SE is going on about it in a good way. Personally, I'm just fed up with it though. With the fact that they created this situation (they opened the doors to it), and it's ~98% of the players who suffer because of that. With awesome new clothes being shown off before every patch, and knowing it's out of our reach anyway, so why care? It's only the rich getting richer over and over again, so why care?

Here's the thing:

...yes, well, I'm sorry, I thought this was a game and not a job - dunno about others, but that's what I have if I want to work. And it's something I get paid for, not something I spend money on.

There are already more than enough parts that feel more like chores instead of fun. (Want goals to work for? Hunt achievements. Do raids. Do PvP. Get all your jobs and classes to 50 60 and gear them up. Then do it again with retainers. More than enough to work, especially if you're not playing 24/7.) And yeah, surely, being teased for weeks with "cool stuff" and then having to wait months (or 1+ year) to be able to have it is just awesome! Yeah, best thing indeed, seeing beach sets released in the summer and getting to being able to actually have them in the middle of winter. Or next spring. Much sense. Such logic. Wow.

All I'm saying is some things were just nice if they didn't become the most difficult/complicated stuff to obtain, every now and again.

But no, now it's at the point where every time we see some fancy new outfits, we better just assume, by default, that it's not gonna be actually available for another half a year at least. That's in addition to having to wonder whether it'll be in-game or cash shop stuff (hello EB extras). And in addition to having to wonder whether some legit or made-up limits will completely restrict it or not (hello housing). So much for hype and excitement.