Crafters have no right to get their own Chocobos

[Holland]

I believe it is unfair to require a battle class for *this* feature.

Being moved to a secondary or support role doesn't mean forceful exclusion. I don't think that the main quest line need involve gatherers and crafters. The quests I have done for the main story were pretty disappointing. Parley is not all that cool. I'm with y'all that far, but chocobos aren't combat content in and of themselves. Allowing crafting classes to pick up a bird of their own doesn't limit combat types or force dull gameplay mechanics onto anyone.

"Gain 25 ranks in a class you don't care to use -> Get a chocobo -> Use Non-combat class for rest of game" doesn't differ much in practical effect from "Gain 25 ranks in crafting class -> Get chocobo", except in that the latter spares a player from needless grinding that they're unhappy with.

If *I* had to choose between making 98% of the population happy by giving them chocobos, or make 100% happy by doing the same, I don't see what excuse I'd have to be stingy.

I doubt this is the case. But in this instance, I will put in doubt what Bayohne meant to convey.

It was my understanding that Companies are for everyone, quests will be added for all to enjoy: Battle quests, Crafting quests, Gathering quests. You would be able to earn seals doing any of those quests. Seeing the company needs all classes to assist, it sounds that me, as a Miner, am able to join the company, offer my services and earn Seals accordingly, ultimately having the right to use those Seals as I see fit and that includes spending them in the Chocobo quest.

But again, I doubt Bayohne made any mistake in what he posted.

[Holland]

You can say Yoshida said this all you want. He can say it a thousand more times. The Crafter/Gather community will not accept it. It is unacceptable for our voice to be ignore and these forums will rage on with the voices of the at least half of this community to Enjoy Crafting and Gathering and want it to be an integral part of the game. This game will never be a success just by catering to the Battle content. Combat classes will never get this game beyond par. It is the Crafting and Gathering that set it apart from the rest of the industry and only when we are given equal consideration will this game ever begin to shine above all the others.

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With everything that is being released, does it look like the Dev Team is catering only to Battle classes? ...

You are complaining about something that is only true in name only. As secondary/support role, we are still getting Materia, new recipes, Gathering upgrades, new nodes etc....

Edit: As a Support class, what I believe we will not get is progession in the main story line quests anymore for example

[Cycloptichorn]

The Crafter/Gather community will not accept it.

Of course they will.

They'll spout a bunch of empty RageQuit threats, and then fall in line. Because it honestly takes only a few hours to complete the requirements, and hey - if you can't put in a few hours of doing something you don't want to do, to get to something you DO want to do, you're playing the wrong game to begin with.

It is unacceptable for our voice to be ignore and these forums will rage on with the voices of the at least half of this community to Enjoy Crafting and Gathering and want it to be an integral part of the game.

It is acceptable, and nobody really cares about the raging. Every time there's a change made to the game, it's one group or another on these boards railing about how unfair the game is. A whole bunch of you need to grow up.

The funniest part is, you're bitching on the behalf of others, as you clearly aren't affected by this. Neither are 99% of them. There's just a lot of remaining hurt fee-fees over people being told that this isn't a game where crafting/gathering is considered to be the equal of fighting - and never will be, because it's Final Fantasy, not Farmville.

[Konachibi]

Well rage all you like but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, each leve reset gave everyone 8 crafting leves and 8 battle leves. There was no excuse not to do a battle leve, as it would reward the player with more Gil to spend on crafting items and gain shards to craft with, along with materials dropped by enemies you defeated during the leve.

Plus in the case of many crafting classes, you HAVE to do a battle class anyway to get sinew, skin, fur, fangs and countless other things unless you rely entirely on selling gear to earn the Gil to buy shards and materials, which could take forever unless you try to undercut everything on the market.

I'm a crafter too, I spend most of my time crafting, but I don't ignore my battle class, because not having a battle class also means you'll only be able to experience like, 10% of the games content, you won't see behests, battle leves, dungeons, raids, or the upcoming beastman strongholds, ifrit battle or caravan escorts. Why pay for a game when you're only seeing such a small amount of it's contents?

[Valarian]

I doubt this is the case. But in this instance, I will put in doubt what Bayohne meant to convey.

It was my understanding that Companies are for everyone, quests will be added for all to enjoy: Battle quests, Crafting quests, Gathering quests. You would be able to earn seals doing any of those quests. Seeing the company needs all classes to assist, it sounds that me, as a Miner, am able to join the company, offer my services and earn Seals accordingly, ultimately having the right to use those Seals as I see fit and that includes spending them in the Chocobo quest.

But again, I doubt Bayohne made any mistake in what he posted.

What I'm hoping is that work on Grand Company content for non-combat classes was postponed so that we could get our mitts on the goodies on offer sooner. It is not my intention to insinuate I am not pleased with the patch we will be getting. I like goodies as much as everyone else, and the sooner the better, of course. I just want to make my opinion known.

[Norwan]

Well rage all you like but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, each leve reset gave everyone 8 crafting leves and 8 battle leves. There was no excuse not to do a battle leve, as it would reward the player with more Gil to spend on crafting items and gain shards to craft with, along with materials dropped by enemies you defeated during the leve.

Plus in the case of many crafting classes, you HAVE to do a battle class anyway to get sinew, skin, fur, fangs and countless other things unless you rely entirely on selling gear to earn the Gil to buy shards and materials, which could take forever unless you try to undercut everything on the market.

I'm a crafter too, I spend most of my time crafting, but I don't ignore my battle class, because not having a battle class also means you'll only be able to experience like, 10% of the games content, you won't see behests, battle leves, dungeons, raids, or the upcoming beastman strongholds, ifrit battle or caravan escorts. Why pay for a game when you're only seeing such a small amount of it's contents?

I'm glad that you know there are only 10% game content for crafters & gatherers. Then, you should know what are we fighting for if you do are a crafter.

[Konachibi]

I'm glad that you know there are only 10% game content for crafters & gatherers. Then, you should know what are we fighting for if you do are a crafter.

No, I don't understand what you're fighting for. This is a Final Fantasy game, not Final Craftasy. When people buy Final Fantasy they expect fighting will be involved in progression, because every FF game before XIV involved progression through battles. What you're asking for is Pacifist Fantasy, where everyone can get what they want without ever having to go near a sword, staff, wand, spear or whatever else.

Eorzea isn't going to save itself, and I doubt throwing rocks is going to stop the Garleans and Primals.

[Kiote]

No, I don't understand what you're fighting for. This is a Final Fantasy game, not Final Craftasy. When people buy Final Fantasy they expect fighting will be involved in progression, because every FF game before XIV involved progression through battles. What you're asking for is Pacifist Fantasy, where everyone can get what they want without ever having to go near a sword, staff, wand, spear or whatever else.

Eorzea isn't going to save itself, and I doubt throwing rocks is going to stop the Garleans and Primals.

By your logic FFXIV shouldn't have crafting at all. It's not like it existed in any title aside from XI. The point is not about progressing through the games battle content as a crafter is about having a reasonable level of consideration for players who choose to do something else. You can't ignore a massive portion of your population.

Yoshida keeps saying things like "Play your way" and "Appeal to a broader audience" but then he keeps throwing in more and more restrictions that will in no way serve those purposes.

[Konachibi]

By your logic FFXIV shouldn't have crafting at all. It's not like it existed in any title aside from XI. The point is not about progressing through the games battle content as a crafter is about having a reasonable level of consideration for players who choose to do something else. You can't ignore a massive portion of your population.

Yoshida keeps saying things like "Play your way" and "Appeal to a broader audience" but then he keeps throwing in more and more restrictions that will in no way serve those purposes.

I never said it shouldn't have crafting, what I AM saying is why bother playing the game at all if crafting is ALL you're going to do? Once the game becomes pay2play will these crafter-only people continue to pay money each month just to hang around in ul'dah/gridania/limsa each and every day just making stuff, and only leave the walls of the city to do some gathering or hand in leves? Why pay money for a game if your intention with it is to only ever see a very small fraction of the games contents?

You don't buy a movie then satisfy yourself by only watching the opening title, you watch the whole thing, otherwise you just wasted your money.

And they're complaining about something like this when it only takes a few hours to get to rank 25 in the first place. Is it really such a big deal just to equip a sword or a wand and spend a bit of time killing stuff? In fact why not do this: Find the enemies that drop materials you want most for your crafting, then kill those enemies to reach rank 25, then you get more materials for yourself AND the rank you need for a chocobo, win-win situation. Just seriously stop complaining just because you're too damned lazy to spend a few hours ranking up a battle class, geez!

[Norwan]

No, I don't understand what you're fighting for. This is a Final Fantasy game, not Final Craftasy. When people buy Final Fantasy they expect fighting will be involved in progression, because every FF game before XIV involved progression through battles. What you're asking for is Pacifist Fantasy, where everyone can get what they want without ever having to go near a sword, staff, wand, spear or whatever else.

Eorzea isn't going to save itself, and I doubt throwing rocks is going to stop the Garleans and Primals.

It is fine that you don't understand what are we fighting for. We can tell from your word as you are NOT a crafter. This is the game with option to fit your own playing style. Who says that Final Fantasy should be battle oriented. It ask us to pick up our path at the begin of the game. All we ask for is giving some contents to us not just make every contents to battle class especially "Chocobo" this kind of signature element.