Crafters have no right to get their own Chocobos

[NoctisUmbra]

I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?

We levelled a battle class to fight, yes. Now SE is giving us GC issue battle chocobos to battle with in the future.

Nobody is disagreeing that GC issue chocobos are not the same as rentals; they are clearly better. The point that rentals exist simply make your argument that chocobos are universal content moot.

It is not about allowing DoL/H to obtain personal issue chocobos effecting battle classes. It is about SE clearly wanting players to level battle classes in order to fully experience the game.

[Holland]

Yes, because renting a chocobo grants you the same benefits, right? The most important of which is being able to summon it anywhere, not merely in town, leaving you without a chocobo once you dismount. Do you have any idea how much more efficiently someone could gather if they did not have to slowly run to every nod? Yet, you cannot use a rental chocobo for this, now can you?



I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?

You decided to ommit my second statement =/

SE is asking to level up a battle class to 25 if you want the luxury of calling a personal chocobo anywhere. The same way they are asking you to level up a craft up to 18 if you want to attach Materia. It is simply that, a compromise.

[Holland]

Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?

I can honestly say it would not affect me in the least. The issue is, your statement is based on what this game was founded when it was released: "If you want, you can simply level Leatherworker and experience everything the game has to offer" which is no longer the case. New players will not see DoL/DoH classes as an option to experience everything the game has to offer and that includes Personal Chocobos.

[syntaxlies]

Yes, because renting a chocobo grants you the same benefits, right? The most important of which is being able to summon it anywhere, not merely in town, leaving you without a chocobo once you dismount. Do you have any idea how much more efficiently someone could gather if they did not have to slowly run to every nod? Yet, you cannot use a rental chocobo for this, now can you?



I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?

"ours" as in dol and doh only. it was tanakas vision to have a game were you can do anything and there were no restrictions. yoshi is in charge now and he has clearly said that dol and doh are no longer main classes and are secondary to battle classes.

tht being said there is no "our" and "yours" anymore. If you cant adjust then you should probably play another game before you commit anymore time to a game that is gonna be mainly focused on battle, maybe farm tycoon or something like that.

[Davorok]

I will make one last analogy before I give up and let this thread die (if that's even possible):

Food and Shelter are two fundamentals to life here on Planet Earth, yet I have to work at a job (and do things I don't want to do) to earn a paycheck so that I can buy food and pay for shelter. Unless I want to live in a Homeless Shelter (again), which I do not want to, I need to work for everything I need and for everything I want.

Nothing is handed to me in life and I don't expect it to be. Life is a challenge and it needs to be in order to be worth living.

Nothing should be handed to me in a game either. I expect challenge and even being forced to do things I'ld rather not do. I don't want to kill Ifrit but I will if he drops epic gears and/or I have to fight him to proceed in the Mission Storyline.
I don't want to level Carpenter but I will if that is the only way I can get an Epic Materia Encrusted BowHarp (for my Barcher) ;>P or if there was some epic cutscene that you only get if you lvl a DoH/L to r50 then I will either live without that CS or I will rank a craft to cap so I can experience everything.

Bottom line is we all gotta do what we gotta do to get the things we want in life and in our games.

FFXIV needs to be challenging in order to be worth playing.

[Konachibi]

On the topic of DoH/L being secondary, I think this is intended to combat things like the unengaging main story line. When equal access degrades the content down to teh sux someone has to take the back seat. Dropping the DoL/H is the smartest thing to do here.

Chocobo riding, though, doesn't become crappy because DoL/H can access them, which is why I see a difference here worth raising a discussion over.

This I can agree with a lot. The main story isn't very involving at the moment because it's possible to do with every class, whether you can fight or not. Because of that I never really feel like I'm part of the battle that's going on between our races and the Garleans, since I never have to lift a finger during any battle sequences, NPC's do the whole thing for me. It sort of takes the fight out of a battle sequence.

By downgrading the gathering and crafting classes to a secondary role, battle classes will step into primary and the story can become more involving between the ongoing war and your character, as there will be a much stronger sense that you are indeed fighting to save your country.

Before anything FFXIV is a roleplaying game, designed for (oh god i'm gonna say it) 'immersive' and engaging plot, and the only way they can do that is to make your character take part in the storyline, rather than stand back and let the NPCs do it for you.

[Estellios]

The company storylines are currently strictly DoW/DoM and ranking up involves getting further into the storyline. If DoL/DoH can participate in it they would either need to make the fights as lame as the main story ones or have the non-combat option which barely ever makes sense, especially when the Empire is involved.

This issue only affects a very small speck of the population and even less of them would be unwilling to level a battle class at all.

[Invalice_Vangaurd]

The company storylines are currently strictly DoW/DoM and ranking up involves getting further into the storyline. If DoL/DoH can participate in it they would either need to make the fights as lame as the main story ones or have the non-combat option which barely ever makes sense, especially when the Empire is involved.

This issue only affects a very small speck of the population and even less of them would be unwilling to level a battle class at all.

And it would have been such a time consuming task to implement an alternative means to obtain a personal chocobo? Considering they created such an intricate quest for obtaining one....oh wait, you merely buy it with seals. So, why couldn't they have just implemented a secondary way for DoH/L to obtain one, therefore, alleviating this problem altogether?

I also really appreciate your majority rule mentality. It's always virtuous to dismiss minority views out of hand.

[Estellios]

And it would have been such a time consuming task to implement an alternative means to obtain a personal chocobo? Considering they created such an intricate quest for obtaining one....oh wait, you merely buy it with seals. So, why couldn't they have just implemented a secondary way for DoH/L to obtain one, therefore, alleviating this problem altogether?

I also really appreciate your majority rule mentality. It's always virtuous to dismiss minority views out of hand.

You have to rank up before you "merely buy it with seals"

Glad to see that this is a virtuous discussion, about a video game!

[Cycloptichorn]

And it would have been such a time consuming task to implement an alternative means to obtain a personal chocobo?

Yes, it would have! It would mean the creation of an entirely new system, just for about 1% of the population of the game.

No thanks. I would rather the Devs create a system that benefits 95% of the game.