Endgame toxicity

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Then let them make multiple party finders. But if I am progressed to a certain point in a run, I'm absolutely not relaxing my party finder conditions. I didn't spend all that time learning up to that point to just let other people hold me back on mechanics I already have mastered. We have party finder filters and to be honest, being on Balmung, its always full of entries. Its not that bad at all to sort through them all. Nobody has the right or deserves to be in my party simply because they pay a sub and want to do the content. They do have the right to make their own party. The only ones getting in mine are people who know the fight to the same degree I do.

I'm not disagreeing, actually. And I understand the desire to get a party of individuals on the same level of ability or experience as you. Settling for less is just inviting liability and potential weakness into your party, and while that might sound a little impersonal, it's not. Whether built over time or assembled on short notice, we all want a capable team. . . Playing devil's advocate for a moment, let's not forget that as of 2 weeks ago, we were all brand new again. Make your parties as you will, but remember you can easily be on the other side of the coin at any given time.

[odie]

I'm not disagreeing, actually. And I understand the desire to get a party of individuals on the same level of ability or experience as you. Settling for less is just inviting liability and potential weakness into your party, and while that might sound a little impersonal, it's not. Whether built over time or assembled on short notice, we all want a capable team. . . Playing devil's advocate for a moment, let's not forget that as of 2 weeks ago, we were all brand new again. Make your parties as you will, but remember you can easily be on the other side of the coin at any given time.

True, but I also don't sit around like some of these others waiting for someone to build the party for me. The "me" mentality is real, and the ones who have it are pointing fingers at those of us that are getting it done ourselves. If they can't be bothered to make their own party, then I can't feel bad for them at all.

[SyraLeo]

I don't have any problems with my limitless blue ex parties.

We all state "learning fight, try to clear" and people come on, once they see the dps isn't good, they leave, we grab another, same thing, grab another and after 2 days? we cleared it.

during the whole time no one was rude, everyone was pretty cool about it, people were like "yea the dps isn't good enough, sorry im leaving" "i'm leaving after this try" etc. etc.

then again, i'm on JP servers.

[Nadirah]

I don't have any problems with my limitless blue ex parties.

then again, i'm on JP servers.

This is almost exclusively a NA/EU problem. More NA than EU.

I personally avoid JP and EU servers for language reasons(I've been shit talked for being American/EN only) and I'm not good with the auto translate, but the community tends to be nicer... Til they find out I'm American ofc.

[AskaRay]

This is almost exclusively a NA/EU problem. More NA than EU.

I personally avoid JP and EU servers for language reasons(I've been shit talked for being American/EN only) and I'm not good with the auto translate, but the community tends to be nicer... Til they find out I'm American ofc.

Most people I know and talk to know I'm an American on an EU server... no one outright hates me for it (teased yes but serious haaate? no)? The JP servers I can see, but the EU servers? In fact I prefer the EU servers because personally I don't really like to play with other Americans (yes I see the irony but let's be honest here..)

[Ampheni]

I don't see why no law bonus in pf is a problem tbh. And I don't see the problem with mistakes = kick neither, as long as the party leader himself/herself honor to their own rules and also applies it on themselves, while not making it hard on (or verbally abuse) whoever failed to do as the party rules required.

But of course when they start looking down on others, then it's elitism. And when they verbally abuse others, then it's harassment. Which are indeed toxicity in the end game community.

I mean I have cleared Ravana Ex, now do I really want to spend another couple days grouping up with people who may or may not understand the entire fight yet just to get myself another totem? But well, guess what? It's not me being impatient to teach new comers, but in fact it's the new comers that's being impatient to learn. In my case, I usually spend 12+ hrs on ffxiv each day (Yes a lot I know. I can only sleep 2 hrs), if I actually manage to get a full group of people who are patient enough (even if they are new comers) to sit through that 12hrs straight without quitting midway, then I'd actually be very patiently teaching them the entire fight step by step. But the thing is, it's nearly impossible to get a full group with that kind of time to spend on learning.

So it's simply not a feasible way to get what I want to get, everytime I get new people in my group things will start becoming inconsistent and waiting for new group members is simply...not fun, it's like watching paint dry while you're just twiddling your thumbs.

The only logical conclusion to achieve my goal is to find people who have already cleared a run (Well yes, they might be carried, but the chance of getting a player that is learning is still lower), and it's logical that it may get extremely frustrating if people you were teaching just leave half way through the fight and you have to teach a new person all over again. It will be an endless cycle until you get lucky. And who would ever want to frustrates themselves over a game, especially when teaching people that are impatient/not dedicated enough to learn?

Tell me if that's toxicity coming from me, but until the days where people are willing to dedicated a good chunk of time and not just merely 3hrs learning then quit everytime when I start a group without requirements, then I will actually drop the no law bonus parties, because then I will actually make progress even with new comers.

[Delorean]

they are either going to be farming all day with that no deaths bit or not farming a damn thing really

things like that are usually said just to ward off the feint of heart. but content like bismarck ex can be really hard if your party is not pulling it's weight. you can put an item level of 170 required on there and it won't matter if your dps can't dps worth half a crap. or if your OT plays like they are colorblind.

join an fc to learn fights, pug them afterwards if you still want to do them. if you don't want to do that, you don't really have any other choice but to study the content and make your own groups.

[KaedrianLiang]

So you walk up to a bulletin board on campus or work, with a bunch of random notices, you see a bunch of phone numbers advertising jobs positions, services, up-coming events. You see an ad that says "LOOKING FOR COMPETENT HARD WORKING WORKERS to FILL A TEMPORARY JOB FOR THE HOLIDAYS"

Thats not toxic....

Toxic is a lone or handful of players que'ing CT (back when the mainsteam ilevel was 55-70) deliberately making impossible pulls with the intent of wiping the whole raid.

Racial slur/spam/dead end politics in /shout /raid.

You enter a level sync 17, dungeon as a Astrologian, Tank gets mad and starts spamming "WHERES PROTECT? CAST PROTECT NOW" Astrologian: "sorry its a whm spell" Tank: "OMG YOU NOOB! KICK THE ASTROLOGIAN KICK THEM!" Astrologian gets kicked. This just happened 10mins ago to a fellow FC member (the astrologian).

[Havenae]

Incorrect. The internet is your so-called "breeding ground".

Wanted to say something to this effect, you beat me to it.

It's called integrity. Just because you can be an asshole and get away with it, doesn't mean you need to. Just because SE set up the game to breed elitist snob bitch behavior doesn't mean people need to be so.



Do I bash elitists? damn right I do. Elitist is a mentality, it's also entirely unneeded. It doesn't mean you're better, more skilled, whatever. Or because you're better it doesn't mean you're an elitist. This is a video game. Unless you're playing professionally and making money doing it, y'all need to lighten the fuck up, because it's simply not that important otherwise. And if it is that important to your life that you be awesome at an MMO, then you need to do some serious life prioritization.

I can play, I can usually play fairly well. But fun is more important to me than who did what and how great so and so did. Soon as people start their pixelated ego-tripping because of their possession of tiny penises in life, thats when the fun goes bye bye. It's that way for a lot of folks too. Care to take a guess when your bullshit self-importance drains all fun from the game and starts driving people away from it?

So you walk up to a bulletin board on campus or work, with a bunch of random notices, you see a bunch of phone numbers advertising jobs positions, services, up-coming events. You see an ad that says "LOOKING FOR COMPETENT HARD WORKING WORKERS to FILL A TEMPORARY JOB FOR THE HOLIDAYS"

Thats not toxic.....

No extra points for terrible analogies.

This is a video game.

NOT a job.

[Miya_Carbuncle]

Wanted to say something to this effect, you beat me to it.

It's called integrity. Just because you can be an asshole and get away with it, doesn't mean you need to. Just because SE set up the game to breed elitist snob bitch behavior doesn't mean people need to be so.



Do I bash elitists? damn right I do. Elitist is a mentality, it's also entirely unneeded. It doesn't mean you're better, more skilled, whatever. Or because you're better it doesn't mean you're an elitist. This is a video game. Unless you're playing professionally and making money doing it, y'all need to lighten the fuck up, because it's simply not that important otherwise. And if it is that important to your life that you be awesome at an MMO, then you need to do some serious life prioritization.

I can play, I can usually play fairly well. But fun is more important to me than who did what and how great so and so did. Soon as people start their pixelated ego-tripping because of their possession of tiny penises in life, thats when the fun goes bye bye. It's that way for a lot of folks too. Care to take a guess when your bullshit self-importance drains all fun from the game and starts driving people away from it?



No extra points for terrible analogies.

This is a video game.

NOT a job.

Why is it a terrible analogy? She makes her point very clear with it. Just because there're people who want competent players who have done the fight to farm with, that doesn't make them an elitist. That's what practice groups are for, which you yourself can make. :l

Also for someone telling other to lighten up, you seem pretty miffed simply because people want fellow competent players who know and have completed the fight to farm with. Sheesh, relax. Like you said, it's just a game. Honestly, almost your entire post is just a big immature rant about supposed 'elitists'.

Make a practice group if you don't really know the fight well enough. That's what they're for.