Endgame toxicity

[SpookyGhost]

So. Here's the thing:

It's not okay to be strict in a learning group. If you specifically advertise your group as a learning one, then you must go in with the mentality that you will do nothing but wipe. For all of 2.0, I joined learning groups to either learn a fight or help people out. If you go into a learning group expecting a clear, you are the one that doesn't belong.

If you advertise your group as a CLEAR one, then your expectation is to use the time allotted to clear the content. You can also require experience up to a certain point, as you yourself have already learned up to that point and want like-minded people who are also up to that point to help you get past it and clear the fight (usually final phase experience). It is perfectly fine to expect some level of competence here, kicking people from your CLEAR group when they're not ready to clear makes 100% sense. You must earn the right to enter a clear group, it is not simply handed to you on a silver platter (that sounds a bit stupid to type, but honestly, you're just expecting a carry here which isn't cool for those 7 other players who put in the work to get here).

If you advertise your group as a FARM one, then you should expect farm level competence. Mistakes will happen, but outright misunderstanding of mechanics is a big red sign that that person shouldn't be in a farm group.

There is a very easy to see progression here:

Go into/start a learning group -> progress up to the point where you understand all the mechanics up to the last phase -> go into/start a clear group -> clear the content -> make sure you understand ALL the mechanics of the last phase -> go into/start a farm group -> enjoy farming.

If you try to skip a step, people will notice. You will likely get kicked, maybe you'll get extremely lucky and get carried, but more often than not it'll be the former. This isn't toxic behavior, it is completely reasonable behavior. If you don't see the type of group you want in PF, start one yourself - no one will stop you.

[FoxyAreku]

Here's a guide for those who don't like the party requirements:

Press "Party Finder"
Hit "Recruit Members"
Insert the instance you want to do, type in something nice, and hit "Create".
Wait for party to fill up then queue.

Look at that! You got into a bismarck/ravana/whatever group by only pressing a few buttons! :P

It really is that simple. In the time you spend complaining on the forums you could have made your own group and cleared the content by now. Get to it.

[Nadirah]

@Kaed

I sync into a level 17 dungeon I have protect. It's a lowbie Conjurer spell. It's in my first cross class slot. I sacrifice cleric stance in those boring ass lowbie dungeons to shut those tanks up.

You want CNJ/WHM to 34 for Stoneskin anyway.

[KaedrianLiang]

No extra points for terrible analogies.

This is a video game.

NOT a job.

Oversimplified conclusion. You are attempting to justify "its just a video game" arguement. You know for "just a video game" OP is taking recruitment restrictions where players have 100% choice on whether to join or not to join, way too seriously. My "analogy" as you call it is an attempt to bring us back to common sense observed in the real world. Do not take these "ads" so seriously that you feel you need to rant about it. These ad's are not solely aimed and directed at you just because you read it.

There is far more to this topic than "its a video game" as such an argument can benefit both sides of the OP's topic. Therefore its generally a very weak tool to use as an argument. So let us go back to common sense.

I noticed you left out the other half of my post where i give examples on what online gaming toxicity is.

@Kaed

I sync into a level 17 dungeon I have protect. It's a lowbie Conjurer spell. It's in my first cross class slot. I sacrifice cleric stance in those boring ass lowbie dungeons to shut those tanks up.

You want CNJ/WHM to 34 for Stoneskin anyway.

Of course though i'm speaking on behalf of an FC m8 as i've declared.

You know what i do? i have prot set to slot 1 going into the dungeon, cast it, then set cleric stance to slot 1 for the rest of the dungeon or until prot is nearing the end of its duration.

Anyways, you missed the toxicity point, they got kicked from the party, which is vote kick abuse under the declared circumstances. One of the most common forms of toxicity in this game and in any game in general.

[odie]

@Kaed

I sync into a level 17 dungeon I have protect. It's a lowbie Conjurer spell. It's in my first cross class slot. I sacrifice cleric stance in those boring ass lowbie dungeons to shut those tanks up.

You want CNJ/WHM to 34 for Stoneskin anyway.

That's what I did. It only took that one time queueing into a lowbie dungeon and that awkwardness that occurred when I wasn't able to cast it.. lol

[Adire]

I wonder how many tanks realize how tiny the mitigation from Protect really is in lowbie dungeons. Even the traited WHM version was figured to be something like 4.5% damage reduction. Untraited is like 2.5% iirc.

I'll take a healer who clerics over protect any day.

[odie]

I wonder how many tanks realize how tiny the mitigation from Protect really is in lowbie dungeons. Even the traited WHM version was figured to be something like 4.5% damage reduction. Untraited is like 2.5% iirc.

I'll take a healer who clerics over protect any day.

I don't use my SCH so I dont' take advantage of the AFK Eos autoheal some people do. But even when I go as WHM, most of the party is incredibly geared already and I find I rarely have to leave cleric stance to heal. The stat sync is completely bogus. I just stay in cleric, let the tank get low and with usually a single heal hes topped off again for the rest of the pull.

[Sapphic]

I wonder how many tanks realize how tiny the mitigation from Protect really is in lowbie dungeons. Even the traited WHM version was figured to be something like 4.5% damage reduction. Untraited is like 2.5% iirc.

I'll take a healer who clerics over protect any day.

Not to mention I've tanked upto and including Haukke manor as PUG/MNK XD