Endgame toxicity

[Viridiana]

EN players seem to have given themselves a bad name due to their mindset of "DF is for learning". I've had many instances where as a EN client user myself have seen JP groups who I get queued with will expect me to perform badly until I prove otherwise, which results usually in getting a shitton of commends at the end of it all. It's almost as if being on EN client and performing well are mutually exclusive in the eyes of JP players thanks to their run-ins with said EN players who go into DF to practice instead of looking to clear.

I'd be interested to see how the JP PF success rate compares to the EN DF success rate, and vice versa. Since, y'know, that would be the more apt comparison. It doesn't make any sense to compare learning parties to clear parties in terms of successful clears.

[Ayrie]

I personally don't make these groups... I mostly keep yo my group of friends (best advice ever).

But... go to 24 man content and watch as 80% of the DPS fail to out damage a tank.

Then go do an expert and watch a healer stay in cleric stance while everyone else dies.

Take a trip through the MSQ where a tank in 120+ in tank stance loses aggro to an i90 black mage.

This could have something to do with everyone's attitude towards everyone else.

Or they just don't care and are looking for the next carry.

[Whiteroom]

I think you are missing the point, subject is end game has lots of ass holes, and PF is just used as an example.

Actually, the game has lots of assholes, all games do. This is just another thread bashing players who have experience for not carrying those who don't.

[Twilite]

You know good and damn well that's not always the case. Keep on making an excuses for them though.

On another note, since I just experienced it again. You know what is REALLY toxic? The hunting community.

..and just where you been at all these years?

[BlaiseArath]

You know good and damn well that's not always the case. Keep on making an excuses for them though.

Yah, but, seeing as how no one can read minds in this game and I've yet to see SS conversation with these people I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume they're tired of dealing with idiots and use extreme methods in hopes of improving their chances of winning to the best of possibilities.

(now the rest of this probably wont apply to you sir)
I don't deny some of them just might be jerks, theres a lot of jerks in this world we call earth, there will always and forever be jerks and no amount of rules preventing or slowing people from being jerks will be effective in preventing you from encountering jerks... otherwise Jails would serve no purpose... Jerks/A**holes exist, nothing will change this, you can maybe slow it but not by much and it will never be enough. You just need to learn to accept it as an inevitability, if you do things with a large amount of people, chances are one of them will be a "jerk" or simply have different ideals than you and that doesn't make them wrong or a jerk sometimes, just that they do things differently..

Even cultures people seem to hold up to high claims like Japanese culture and people still have people within that culture who are largely racist to the point of xenophobic, and will exclude people for not being born where they were, not because of language or such, but simply because they're not japanese. No person or culture is exempt from having jerks... let alone they all have their own vices and downfalls.

[Krylo]

..and just where you been at all these years?

Hunting has only really been 'necessary' again pretty recently. You COULD get bloody mark logs from hunting or you could just run the raids or you could do the CT weekly. Plus hunting basically required you to be in an LS to get to hunts on time, so between a high barrier to entry, incredibly blaise game play, and pretty meh rewards that could be acquired in other, less terrible, ways a lot of people didn't bother.

Right now it's only hunting to upgrade gear, and new content/gear is coming out very swiftly putting an impetuous on people to gear up the current best ASAP rather than wait for the trickle through daily/weeklies, so a lot more people are doing than have been for awhile. Which exacerbates all the issues with it, and multiplies them by not being able to select an instance when entering The Churning Mists. Missed like 3 hunts myself just for that so far and I almost never hunt 'cause I hate it.

[Arasiel]

How about Bis/Rav outta PF only.. Its frustrating. Can't PF because I have no exp. Can't get experience without PF... So its gg on my i178 because my FC hasn't started current endgame.

[odie]

How about Bis/Rav outta PF only.. Its frustrating. Can't PF because I have no exp. Can't get experience without PF... So its gg on my i178 because my FC hasn't started current endgame.

Start your own party finder. "Bismark Extreme - Learning Party" go get experience

[Yuji-Ikaido]

I really do not understand the problem here. People always complain about other players who do this and it boggles my mind. Everyone has fun in their own way. That is the key sentiment here.

Some people are not interested in constantly helping new people and want to play with others who have experienced the fight and are knowledgeable about it so that they can clear and progress. Those people make party finders like that asking for people who know what hey are doing so that they don't have to sit there and teach yet another knew person what they already know. It is beyond frustrating to see the same person making the same mistake causing the entire party to wipe time and time again. Simply put, that person needs to find a learning party so that they can figure out what they are doing wrong and fix it before causing 7 other people to lose progress because of their inexperience.

Then there are people who are new to the fight and need to learn and gain experience, for those people, MAKE A NEW PARTY FINDER. I have done this time and time again and I am always able to find other people who are new and need to create a learning party so that we can figure this fight out. I rarely even watch videos. I think the concept of watching a video of a fight before even trying it yourself is stupid. I want to experience the fight for the first time myself rather than watch other people who have already done it. I have never had issue finding other people to make a party with and learn a new fight.

The entitlement some people have is overwhelming. It feels like the sentiment I see from a lot of people is that they want the experienced players to cater to the inexperienced and force them into a learning party when those players have already been in a learning party and now want to clear the fight.

Some players will want to form clear parties and some players want learning parties. Find other people at the same level of experience as you and leave the others to their own. Not everything is going to be tailored to your interests. There are more people out there than just you.

[Fendred]

Harassment is an ever present issue. Just today we had a player actively belittling people in Bismarck hard mode for ridiculous reasons and making a distraction of himself as a result. Ended up wasting everyone's time and was kicked from the group, but not before the damage was done. The harassment is at its worst where players are most likely to fail, so places like "The Endless Blue" are likely targets.

My advice for everyone is to take a strong no tolerance policy towards personal attacks as well as criticism that amounts to personal attacks. If you see it, start a motion to dismiss the player before any damage can be done and get a new guy.