Endgame toxicity

[Ashkendor]

It's impossible to find a group that will even give you the time of day if it's your first time doing a fight, people just want easy mode.

Poeple really shouldn't be looking to get their first clears in a farm party. Those all sound like farm parties.

The whole if you die, you're out mentality is completely retarded ontop of that, these fights are a little over a week old and people are just starting to hit endgame that didn't rush to 60.

If I have something on farm and I'm looking to run it repeatedly, babysitting someone through their first clear can be counterproductive. Farming means you down it repeatedly with a minimum of fuss. As someone that enjoys helping people learn and clear content, I'll say that there's a time and a place for learning. I see learning parties all over party finder. If all else fails, make a learning party and people that are just like you will join. Many times, veteran players will join to help out too. You absolutely 100% do not join someone's farm party to learn, though. That's only doing two things: wrecking their party and shooting yourself in the foot. Farm parties that don't clear fast end up breaking up, and the person that was trying to farm isn't going to be very happy with you if that happens. If they were ever inclined to help you learn, they more than likely won't be if you're the cause of their party failing.

Even if it's not someone's first time in there and they're just being bad at the fight for whatever reason (lag, distractions, etc), that's still keeping the party from doing what they want to do - farm the fight. If I have a PF up for a specific goal and one person is preventing the other seven players from fulfilling that goal, then there's two choices: that person either steps it up or they get replaced. The only alternative is to disband.

(Unlike me.. /cough ) But seriously? I've beat Bismark EX once, and it was at ilvl 160, and we had no serious issues, took a couple of tries, but we did fine, now people just seem to be wanting a group to easily carry them through these primal battles? I tried one of the Ravana EX groups earlier (One with the 3 strike rule) Leader died 8 times and was probably the worst geared of everyone there.

Sounds like the leader was the one looking for a carry. It happens.