Endgame toxicity

[Somewarlock84]

Yeah it's a problem for those of us who play for fun. I play with a close group of friends and truth be told we are not all that good at some thing be was learn fast. I hate the "get good" attitude and the "LOLZ U WANT 2 BE CARRIED" thing I see. *shrugs* I'll just have fun with other content then.

[Destomius]

This thread is ridiculous. Every online MMO is gonna have "toxic" players. Expecting everyone on the internet to be nice people is just as stupid as expecting everyone in real life to be nice people. If you don't like those PF entries, don't join them. Go make your own PF, because you have every right to make your own PF as those people do. I'm 100% sure there's other likeminded players that are willing to progress through content the same way you want to.

[Fendred]

Didn't we have these same discussions involving Titan EX over a year ago? They introduced an issue that shouldn't exist by letting people DF extreme fights. Unless you are running with a premade of competent people you know, you're asking for hell trying to PF or DF it. You'll get stuck in a revolving door type situation where tired players exit and new players enter, leaving you incapable of victory. MMORPG end game introduced early in the second millennium sucks when mixed with ease of access tools because those encounters were never made to be done by anything other than a premade group. Yoshida is of the school of MMORPG thought where they try to make everyone happy. Unfortunately, trying to make everyone happy is pointless idealism when the design requirements to do so for each group are polar opposites.

So, post rant point: You'll need a premade group of friends/free company members to handle these fights. From personal experience, trying to do otherwise will just leave you burned and angry.

[LunaHoshino]

So, post rant point: You'll need a premade group of friends/free company members to handle these fights. From personal experience, trying to do otherwise will just leave you burned and angry.

I disagree. I've successfully cleared T1-7 and most of the EX Primals (Garuda, Ifrit, Leviathan, Shiva) in DF; most of those clears had at least two people who had never cleared the fight before. Of those, I've seen one-shots of T1-4, T6, T7, and all of the listed EX Primals. It's entirely possible to get a decent group in DF-- heck, my first time in T13 was in DF and we managed to get almost to Teraflare.

I've also had terrible groups. It's a toss-up as to which you'll get, but DF clears are actually fairly common in my experience.

[OPneedNerfs]

That's kinda why I moved to a JP server.
The progression is better, NA players are some of the most nastiest people you'll ever meet, elitist as hell too, atleast in DF.
Never got past Titan EX or T5 in Gilgamesh, moved to Tonberry did the content just fine.

So friendly.

It's not an issue of being friendly or not. Here at tonberry, or at least the majority of us believe in using the df and pf in a completely opposite way of how EN servers do things.

The logic is simple: we don't inconvenience others in df by going in to learn because that's supposed to be the more convenient method of looking for clears.

If we want to learn, we use the pf. Most of the times after a certain trial is released to the df, it's not as impossible to clear as EN servers seem to think simply because of the different methods in which we use to learn content.

[LTEvil]

It's not an issue of being friendly or not. Here at tonberry, or at least the majority of us believe in using the df and pf in a completely opposite way of how EN servers do things.

The logic is simple: we don't inconvenience others in df by going in to learn because that's supposed to be the more convenient method of looking for clears.

If we want to learn, we use the pf. Most of the times after a certain trial is released to the df, it's not as impossible to clear as EN servers seem to think simply because of the different methods in which we use to learn content.

Mhm mhm. Agreed.

[Lewtskie]

The logic is simple: we don't inconvenience others in df by going in to learn because that's supposed to be the more convenient method of looking for clears.

If we want to learn, we use the pf. Most of the times after a certain trial is released to the df, it's not as impossible to clear as EN servers seem to think simply because of the different methods in which we use to learn content.

Would have been nice if we got big signs saying "Use this thing in this way!" or "Use this mechanic for this situation!". But we didn't so it never had a defined purpose. People took to PF more since it lets you go in with a chosen hand, which people felt more comfortable with than just drawing at random from the deck. Even let you alter the team make-up in case you felt you needed more/less Tanks and Healers. That, I suppose, felt the more logical choice.

Not trying to be dismissive so much, but I would ask how often have you seen failure state through DF and what caused any abandons.

[OPneedNerfs]

Char Limit

It's really something that one needs to experience to truly understand.

Try going into a JP based server, assuming you aren't undergeared/without knowledge of whichever instance you are doing and queue for DF. The ease of clearing "extremely difficult content that requires pre-made groups" through DF will shock and amaze you. Which might also make EN based servers seem like they're definitely doing something wrong.

The times DF has failed has been due to people who simply do not follow the "rule" followed by most if not all of the JP players to come prepared if you're queueing for DF.

Not trying to be racist of anything but it's ALWAYS people with EN clients and not those with JP. Even then, the times when we(me and my friends in the same server) have run into said situations of failure are few and far in between.

EN players seem to have given themselves a bad name due to their mindset of "DF is for learning". I've had many instances where as a EN client user myself have seen JP groups who I get queued with will expect me to perform badly until I prove otherwise, which results usually in getting a shitton of commends at the end of it all. It's almost as if being on EN client and performing well are mutually exclusive in the eyes of JP players thanks to their run-ins with said EN players who go into DF to practice instead of looking to clear.

[Blood-Aki]

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This is true, i came from Mateus, a truly awful server in terms of progression for anything endgame, but the data center is shared with a high population server, but DF is just as bad, couldn't get a single EX primal done outside a messy Garuda. I came to tonberry and flawlessy cleared each EX primal fight and could easily farm them in DF, before i lost interest in the game. and would have done turn 9 if i fully understood jp method, wipes are rare and it's usually because one person came in unprepared. They simply do not treat DF like a "carry me please" session.

[Viridiana]

EN players seem to have given themselves a bad name due to their mindset of "DF is for learning". I've had many instances where as a EN client user myself have seen JP groups who I get queued with will expect me to perform badly until I prove otherwise, which results usually in getting a shitton of commends at the end of it all. It's almost as if being on EN client and performing well are mutually exclusive in the eyes of JP players thanks to their run-ins with said EN players who go into DF to practice instead of looking to clear.

I'd be interested to see how the JP PF success rate compares to the EN DF success rate, and vice versa. Since, y'know, that would be the more apt comparison. It doesn't make any sense to compare learning parties to clear parties in terms of successful clears.