Endgame toxicity

[Snugglebutt]

I agree, the community is pretty toxic and expect carries and everything to hand it to them instead of forming their own group wanting to learn, pretty much the epitome of SJW like mentality right there.

You agree that the community is pretty toxic yet fail to grasp that your previous post showed you to be one of the most toxic based on the fact you view other people as abnormal/worthless and admitted you want a huge group of people dead just because you do not like them...that's a pretty damn toxic ideology if you ask me. Also again with you blaming SJW for endgame toxicity in PF groups? SJW is as relevant to the topic as blaming pixies, leprechauns, the Nazi's or North Korea. None of them have anything to do with the topic being discussed here. By the way I am still waiting on a response to my previous post that questioned your definition of 'normal' human being.

[odie]

I don't think its toxic...what is toxic is like when a long time ago in turn 5 I'd have to "learn" conflags over and over again because people couldn't catch on...then rep them with someone else who couldn't figure it out. We want to clear it and not have to waste time repeating mechanics we have since mastered. A lot of the mechanics people fail are so stupidly simple that it just adds more to the headache. Once I make progress in a duty, that "bookmark" is then making it to my party finder description.

[LegendWait]

Step 1: get friends/ fc mates
Step 2: learn how to properly dps with your new lvl60 skills
Step 3: Get mumble for maximum coordination
Step 4: profit

Thats all there is to it really, its EXTREME its meant to be handled like a challenge, not as something you can do while using Netflix.

[Nadirah]

Step 1: get friends/ fc mates
Step 2: learn how to properly dps with your new lvl60 skills
Step 3: Get mumble for maximum coordination
Step 4: profit

Thats all there is to it really, its EXTREME its meant to be handled like a challenge, not as something you can do while using Netflix.

Mumble is trash.

I run a TS server. My runs can use it. I refuse to use Mumble.

[Chihaya]

Mumble is trash.

I run a TS server. My runs can use it. I refuse to use Mumble.

TS, Mumble, Vent, what's the difference... all VoIPs
I don't have any servers but I have all 3 of those installed depending which VoIP the group have/want to use.

[Onikimaru]

Mumble is trash.

I run a TS server. My runs can use it. I refuse to use Mumble.

Does teamspeak have an auto-quiet feature like mumble?

[Able]

There's just as much toxicity coming from new players as veteran end-game players. The most negative experiences I've had in this game involved being told to go to hell when simply trying to help a new player.

Overall, I'd say most people fall into their own networks of friends and just assume everyone outside of that is a toxic player. However, I have no problem meeting decent people when I make the effort to communicate. A lot of people don't make that effort. That's the primary reason why the community isn't as good as it could be. It also, however, doesn't happen to be nearly as bad as everyone says it is.

[BlaiseArath]

{This is directed at no specific person here}

Unfortunately, people who use the word "Toxic" are usually synonymous with elitist bashing, unwilling to learn, "Bad players" to most of the endgame community who regularly clears content. People don't want to carry some lazy butt through content because they won't listen to advice or take everything way to personally and expect to be coddled and never be without their comfort zone.


For some players when it comes to wanting experienced players, Its a defense mechanism after dealing with the type of people who don't want to learn and weigh the group down, or dealing with "learning" people who just can't grasp basic concepts or are terrible at their job. At some point, the people doing the fight get tired of inviting people who make you question how they get their shoes on, and just try to get people who have the win or clear.

I've done my fair share of learning parties, and eventually it gets old trying to teach people a fight they clearly cannot comprehend. Its not to say that I don't still occasionally do learning parties because everyone has to start somewhere... but It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that people will eventually get sick of teaching people and just want to CLEAR and/or FARM it. If you don't see a Party finder for a learning party, make one, its your best bet, and you'll find people who want to help new players or people who want to learn themselves.

There will always be jerks in this game, but people who want experienced players aren't jerks just because they don't want their farm party to be a learning party. Make your own learning party, you might still get jerks but hey, after dealing with the "Its my way or i leave" learning party tanks, you'll maybe come to understand why people say screw it and make clear parties more than learning.

(Although the people who make party finders like the one in the OP are generally over-controlling d*ck heads too, so best to avoid them even if you're experienced lol... at the end of the day, best to make friends or find a good Learning FC)

[Onikimaru]

As someone who has cleared turn 13 before echo and is all about min maxing, i disagree with

people who use the word "Toxic" are usually synonymous with elitist bashing, unwilling to learn, "Bad players"

I don't classify the current end-game population to be overall toxic, but it's definitely getting bigger in that regard. 2 days after the expansion EA release there were people complaining about people not skipping cutscenes, not using certain abilities etc...5 days after there were parties saying crap like "know fight or kick" "die once get kicked". It's actually getting really bad for a lot of players.

I asked a couple of groups if i could join for BEX i knew the fight in it's entirety, i was greeted with "no" then i was ignored. Now as a said above, as someone who has cleared all the coil, if somebody ever said they knew the fight, i gave them a chance to prove it as i hosted farm parties and loot allocation groups. Now it seems like people are getting a lot more selfish, it's all about me me me me me, nobody wants to help anyone else out. Sure you can get yourself a static, but that is easier said than done. Especially since you want a group with your skill level, and people that you've known for awhile or people that you can get along with.

Now whether people want to classify the "no" don't bother me attitude as toxic, i guess that's fair. But i like to consider the hunts attitude as toxic, I.E abusive, condescending etc..

[Veji]

Or just ignore them and get a decent FC. Thats what i do and i have no issues.