SMN poorly implemented

[Sleigh]

What year is this, 2013? Are we in a time warp?

[OneWingedSora]

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[Azuta]

I am behind the op 100% on this one +1

At this point might as well called the jon envoker or Channelers, something along those lines. It sure is not a summoner in my eyes.

[Delily]

carbuncle is pretty much is non existent after level 30, not sure I really like the way SE designed the SMN class. In FF11 there were so many summons you could use, compared to FF14 its sad. And it what made it even worse was no new summons in the expansion. Summons is the core of the job, whats the point of adding more skills unrelated to your egi? Instead they should have added more powerful summons that have a CD and timer when summoned, thats how this job was meant to be played. Most of the damage should come from the pet, and the abilities should have synergy with it, such as rouse, and enkindle. WTF are all these new direct dmg spells, SMN should not play like a BLM.

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[Akiza]

SE did a poor job on the Summoner in A Realm Reborn because they made it a DoT class with a Pet and poor aetherflow mechanics leaving them with no way to maintain dps after burning through 3 aetherflow stacks. In Heavensward they turned the Summoner into an Evoker where it channels Primals and use their abilities which is how it shouldve worked from the beggining. The problem with the Summoner is according to the overall story we should already be able to summon Primals using incarnate summoning since they are nothing more than shades wearing the appearnce of the original entity. Also the according the the lore the Primal themselve are nothing more than fakes since they are just a massive collection of Aether given form through Hydaelyn by the imagination of the believer. I think SE should create Real Gods for Summoners to summon as oppose to the Primals. Personnaly I'd like Summoner to get the ability to summon Hydealyn.

[Delily]

SE did poor job on the Summoner in A Realm Reborn because they made it a DoT class with a Pet and poor aetherflow mechanics leaving them with no way to maintain dps after burning through 3 aetherflow stacks. In Heavensward they turned the Summoner into an Evoker where it channels Primals and use their abilities which is how it shouldve worked from the beggining. The problem with the Summoner is according to the overall story we should already be able to summon Primals using incarnate summoning since they are nothing more than shades wearing the appearnce of the original entity. Also the according the the lore the Primal themselve are nothing more than fakes since they are just a massive collection of Aether given form through Hydaelyn by the imagination of the believer. I think SE should create Real Gods for Summoners to summon as oppose to the Primals.

So, basically, you want to rework the lore of the game to fit in with your desires? The 2.0 lore of the summoners explicitly stated they summoned the egis. The other thing you're referring to was only hinted at during the end of 2.X and only revealed in 3.X. It wouldn't have made sense for us to do that because we didn't know about it. Also, it's not fully clear what the primals are. Yes, it's strongly suggested they are the product of fervent belief and crystals, but that doesn't that's all there is.

[Akiza]

So, basically, you want to rework the lore of the game to fit in with your desires? The 2.0 lore of the summoners explicitly stated they summoned the egis. The other thing you're referring to was only hinted at during the end of 2.X and only revealed in 3.X. It wouldn't have made sense for us to do that because we didn't know about it. Also, it's not fully clear what the primals are. Yes, it's strongly suggested they are the product of fervent belief and crystals, but that doesn't that's all there is.

Spoiler alert when you talk to Hraesvelgr in Heavensward he tells the pc exactly what the Primals are. Primals are not summoned as so much they are conjured by Aether and the Imagination of the believer given form the Hydaelyn. Tiamat explaining that the Bahamut fought in T13 was merely a shade wearing Bahamuts form. From this its clear that the Primals are imaginations manifested by Aether and belief. Conjuring is a low level summoning skill that anyone can do thats why its easy to conjure Primals lore wise. The only actual Gods revealed so far are Hydaelyn, Zordiak and the Warring Triad the rest are fakes.

[PotatoWafflez]

Spoiler alert when you talk to Hraesvelgr in Heavensward he tells the pc exactly what the Primals are. Primals are not summoned as so much they are conjured by Aether and the Imagination of the believer given form the Hydaelyn. Tiamat explaining that the Bahamut fought in T13 was merely a shade wearing Bahamuts form. From this its clear that the Primals are imaginations manifested by Aether and belief. Conjuring is a low level summoning skill that anyone can do thats why its easy to conjure Primals lore wise. The only actual Gods revealed so far are Hydaelyn, Zordiak and the Warring Triad the rest are fakes.

You failed to take into account that when you summon a primal you don't control it and it doesn't bend to your will like egis; summoning something is easy controlling something once summoned isn't.

So really what you are saying is that you want to do big summons that will drain your HP because lore wise it is taxing on your body and aether to summon anything big without a huge amount of crystals and that wont listen to you and will turn on you and your party at the drop of a hat if not right away.

I don't recall the Summoner LB but can't they just throw knights of the round in there or something and call it a day? Would that make people happy? and lore wise LBs feed off the party no? so you could argue that 8 warriors of light have enough aether to summon something big for a few seconds for one attack.

[Dualblade]

You failed to take into account that when you summon a primal you don't control it and it doesn't bend to your will like egis; summoning something is easy controlling something once summoned isn't.

So really what you are saying is that you want to do big summons that will drain your HP because lore wise it is taxing on your body and aether to summon anything big without a huge amount of crystals and that wont listen to you and will turn on you and your party at the drop of a hat if not right away.

I don't recall the Summoner LB but can't they just throw knights of the round in there or something and call it a day? Would that make people happy? and lore wise LBs feed off the party no? so you could argue that 8 warriors of light have enough aether to summon something big for a few seconds for one attack.

Summoner's new LB3 is Bahamut's Teraflare.

[Azuta]

Well since they are seemingly using the world of warcraft style of classes. Then its safe to assume that at least they won't botch up beastmaster in the very least. When ever they get around to releasing it anyway. I will just play some other job till then really maybe white mage or black mage, since they at least feel the way they should.