Bards viability now?

[Gilraen]

...but I mostly use Peon for myself, thats it.

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

[Lewtskie]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

Bard's songs do affect themselves, actually. In the case of Army's and Mage's anyway, though technically Requiem does as well but you don't deal magic dmg, so moot point, lol. Slap on Army's when you're low on TP and look at your bar you'll notice more ticks; one small and one large. The small one is Army's. The Mage's one as well. It's why it'll drain away a lot slower than the other songs.

[Kayote]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

Well then BRD songs are even less necessary than I thought. You sure? Because I notice TP regens faster when Ive used it before. Not that I timed it. lol, dont remember ever being on the receiving end of a song so I wouldnt know the difference.

Bard's songs do affect themselves, actually. In the case of Army's and Mage's anyway, though technically Requiem does as well but you don't deal magic dmg, so moot point, lol. Slap on Army's when you're low on TP and look at your bar you'll notice more ticks; one small and one large. The small one is Army's. The Mage's one as well. It's why it'll drain away a lot slower than the other songs.

Oh ok, good. Thought I was going crazy for a second there.

[AskaRay]

Well then BRD songs are even less necessary than I thought. You sure? Because I notice TP regens faster when Ive used it before. Not that I timed it. lol, dont remember ever being on the receiving end of a song so I wouldnt know the difference.

I play Paeon for myself all the time when AOEing. Songs definitely affect yourself... only one I haven't noticed is Requiem because bards don't have any magic.
And if you really haven't ever been on the receiving end of a song, just as a bard next time to sing for you so you can see the difference. Not that hard...

[AkashiXI]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

It's very easy to notice the mp difference between Ballad and Foe/Paeon, so yes, Ballad does restore your mp as well. Paeon also grants you TP back. You've been a Bard on these forums for awhile, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this. @_@

[Waeksyn]

It's very easy to notice the mp difference between Ballad and Foe/Paeon, so yes, Ballad does restore your mp as well. Paeon also grants you TP back. You've been a Bard on these forums for awhile, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this. @_@

Ballad does affect the singer's MP (don't need to be complicated - just read the description on the skill) but it's really moot, because all that means is that the ballad lasts longer as it consumes your MP pool. Paeon does restore your TP but you lose dmg while it's up. It can help extend your AOE time.

On a positive note, one thing that WM does do is improve our AOE. Spamming quick nock with the longer casting time allows for more TP regeneration, while the +20% just covers the dmg lost from the slower cast time.