Bards viability now?

[Kayote]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

Well then BRD songs are even less necessary than I thought. You sure? Because I notice TP regens faster when Ive used it before. Not that I timed it. lol, dont remember ever being on the receiving end of a song so I wouldnt know the difference.

Bard's songs do affect themselves, actually. In the case of Army's and Mage's anyway, though technically Requiem does as well but you don't deal magic dmg, so moot point, lol. Slap on Army's when you're low on TP and look at your bar you'll notice more ticks; one small and one large. The small one is Army's. The Mage's one as well. It's why it'll drain away a lot slower than the other songs.

Oh ok, good. Thought I was going crazy for a second there.

[AskaRay]

Well then BRD songs are even less necessary than I thought. You sure? Because I notice TP regens faster when Ive used it before. Not that I timed it. lol, dont remember ever being on the receiving end of a song so I wouldnt know the difference.

I play Paeon for myself all the time when AOEing. Songs definitely affect yourself... only one I haven't noticed is Requiem because bards don't have any magic.
And if you really haven't ever been on the receiving end of a song, just as a bard next time to sing for you so you can see the difference. Not that hard...

[AkashiXI]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

It's very easy to notice the mp difference between Ballad and Foe/Paeon, so yes, Ballad does restore your mp as well. Paeon also grants you TP back. You've been a Bard on these forums for awhile, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this. @_@

[Waeksyn]

It's very easy to notice the mp difference between Ballad and Foe/Paeon, so yes, Ballad does restore your mp as well. Paeon also grants you TP back. You've been a Bard on these forums for awhile, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this. @_@

Ballad does affect the singer's MP (don't need to be complicated - just read the description on the skill) but it's really moot, because all that means is that the ballad lasts longer as it consumes your MP pool. Paeon does restore your TP but you lose dmg while it's up. It can help extend your AOE time.

On a positive note, one thing that WM does do is improve our AOE. Spamming quick nock with the longer casting time allows for more TP regeneration, while the +20% just covers the dmg lost from the slower cast time.

[Waeksyn]

Guys, Brd is dead and MCH is a still birth. They can't even put up numbers as good as a WAR. When your DPS class is out damaged by the off tank, there is something wrong. SE's official response indicates that they may make some adjustments such as make WM quicker to apply. Great, now we will stance dance, putting WM on only to use abilities that require it only to take it off immediately thereafter. However, they also say that they will NOT make changes to increase the DPS of brd.

It's dead.

[zcrash970]

Guys, Brd is dead and MCH is a still birth. They can't even put up numbers as good as a WAR. When your DPS class is out damaged by the off tank, there is something wrong. SE's official response indicates that they may make some adjustments such as make WM quicker to apply. Great, now we will stance dance, putting WM on only to use abilities that require it only to take it off immediately thereafter. However, they also say that they will NOT make changes to increase the DPS of brd.

It's dead.

I love to see a WAR do this alleged high dps in an actual battle rather than a training dummy or a quick burst in Ravana Ex scorpion stance.

[Lillia]

Guys, Brd is dead and MCH is a still birth. They can't even put up numbers as good as a WAR. When your DPS class is out damaged by the off tank, there is something wrong. SE's official response indicates that they may make some adjustments such as make WM quicker to apply. Great, now we will stance dance, putting WM on only to use abilities that require it only to take it off immediately thereafter. However, they also say that they will NOT make changes to increase the DPS of brd.

It's dead.

They never said they will not increase the dps, they said they will not make further changes until Alexander. If something seems offsetting or is unbalanced SE will take notice. I do agree that SE will not increase bard to do as much DPS as jobs like DRG/MNK but if it's a problem to where they do less than a tank then I believe SE will fix it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._bards_minuet/

[Waeksyn]

They never said they will not increase the dps, they said they will not make further changes until Alexander. If something seems offsetting or is unbalanced SE will take notice. I do agree that SE will not increase bard to do as much DPS as jobs like DRG/MNK but if it's a problem to where they do less than a tank then I believe SE will fix it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._bards_minuet/

Um, yes they did actually. Here is the relevant part:

In addition to making adjustments so that the effect of this ability is fitting right after you learn it, we will be making it easier to switch into and out of Wanderer's Minuet and eliminating the current aspects that make it difficult to use. At the same time we will be paying close attention to the balance of each skill so the damage output at level 60 does not largely increase.

Waiting for a few weeks of Alexander experience is also too late. SE should realize this from their experience with FFXI. There, they introduced a new job "puppet master" that was a disaster. They made lots of changes later on to improve the job but it was way too late - almost everyone had abandoned the job and those who played it got no respect at all, no party invites, etc. It's clear that BRD and MCH have serious problems and waiting will only ingrain the issue.

[Catwho]

Waiting for a few weeks of Alexander experience is also too late. SE should realize this from their experience with FFXI. There, they introduced a new job "puppet master" that was a disaster. They made lots of changes later on to improve the job but it was way too late - almost everyone had abandoned the job and those who played it got no respect at all, no party invites, etc. It's clear that BRD and MCH have serious problems and waiting will only ingrain the issue.

By the time they'd finished tuning it, though PUP was overpowered in the hands of a skilled player. They were also really useful on content where magic damic was good - we had one guy bring his PUP/SAM to Jailor of Love, and it did hate free nukes every 30 seconds, then he'd buddy up with one of the other melee to run in and WS then magic burst off it. Pretty amusing to watch.

[Lillia]

Um, yes they did actually. Here is the relevant part:


Waiting for a few weeks of Alexander experience is also too late. SE should realize this from their experience with FFXI. There, they introduced a new job "puppet master" that was a disaster. They made lots of changes later on to improve the job but it was way too late - almost everyone had abandoned the job and those who played it got no respect at all, no party invites, etc. It's clear that BRD and MCH have serious problems and waiting will only ingrain the issue.

Where did you get that from? It's not in the link I posted so there's another source right? Bluegarter site maybe? o-O

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DRK is also a new job though so it'd be hard to change a playstyle that no one really got accustom to, I see where you're going with it though.