Bards viability now?

[Lewtskie]

You know it's funny, out of the crap they did, they did actually manage to greatly improve our aoe clearing capabilities, lol. But yeah, against singular opponents, namely bosses, we fall off a bit too much. Not entirely ruined, and improvements are now on the way. So don't count it out just yet.

[Sapphic]

Well we managed to get first clear for most of the party on Bis ex the other day using 2 BRDs. I don't think they are as bad as players make them out to be to be honest. Just getting used to optimizing the new playstyle.

One BRD ilvl 178, 2nd BRD 154, plus 2x DRGs one was pretty fresh 60 the other not that far ahead. Me on PLD ilvl 151. and a 178 WAR.

[Bluejay]

There is no way SE is going to leave the situation like this. The job is kind of a mess now and some of the new abilities are worthless.

Every expansion in every MMO ever one or more classes gets shafted by Dev's who don't think through things and then the class gets fixed. It's temporary.

I still think we will get taken on raids for MP regen if nothing else.

[Lillia]

There is no way SE is going to leave the situation like this. The job is kind of a mess now and some of the new abilities are worthless.

Every expansion in every MMO ever one or more classes gets shafted by Dev's who don't think through things and then the class gets fixed. It's temporary.

I still think we will get taken on raids for MP regen if nothing else.

I feel for machinist players more than us bards though, they really got the raw end of the situation. I just hope we both get adjusted come time for the hotfix, not just bards.

[SovereignAegis]

I would find it very broken if Bard can pull the same numbers as a ninja even in the past, the present or the future.

As would we all. At present a ninja absolutely destroys everythinflg while also offering utility of its own. BLM, SMN, MCH and BRD all look like garbage compared to it.

If I didn't suck at flanking and positioning you can be sure I would be rolling a NIN right now.

[Pluvia]

As would we all. At present a ninja absolutely destroys everythinflg while also offering utility of its own. BLM, SMN, MCH and BRD all look like garbage compared to it.

If I didn't suck at flanking and positioning you can be sure I would be rolling a NIN right now.

At point you would want to wait for alex and see how the fights are if they're not crazy with disengages DRG/MNK win hands down the day of Ninja being king dummy dps is over

[Kayote]

I dont know where everyone is getting this high demand for bards thing. Ive been asked for ballads a handful of times in my entire play time with this game and once with this particular Bard so far. I have taken the initiative myself here and there, when I notice, but I mostly use Peon for myself, thats it.

Maybe for early end-game raids in order to get the maximum efficiency but they should be taking as much variety as possible anyway. Nor have hardcore, min/max, groups like that ever been the majority group content in this or any game.

DPS is disappointingly low and to paraphrase YoshiP 'mechanics are clunky' ATM. I wouldnt expect a good better Bard until sometime after Alexander. We'd be lucky to get a tiny DPS buff before 3.1

[Gilraen]

...but I mostly use Peon for myself, thats it.

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

[Lewtskie]

Bards aren't affected by their own songs. You know that, right? The reason that Bard asked for Ballad was to keep their song going for far longer than if they were using their own MP. I've done this a few times for other Bards who were using Foe's. Makes it last for a long time, longer if Battle Voice'd. The only time I use Paeon is if a fight is going long and there's no casters in the party. Again, your songs don't affect you. Never have.

Well, except for Swift Song. But that's a special case. And Minuet isn't really a song, it's a stance.

Bard's songs do affect themselves, actually. In the case of Army's and Mage's anyway, though technically Requiem does as well but you don't deal magic dmg, so moot point, lol. Slap on Army's when you're low on TP and look at your bar you'll notice more ticks; one small and one large. The small one is Army's. The Mage's one as well. It's why it'll drain away a lot slower than the other songs.