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    Kelg Granthal
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    Living dead improvement ideas

    Living dead is supposed to be DRK's "hallowed ground" skill, but it falls short... It requires you to die for it not to be wasted. This is a problem because most of the time if a healer sees you dying, they will blow all their cooldowns and do everything in their power to keep you alive. Every time I try to use living dead, it fails in one way or another. I am either saved, and the skill was completely wasted, or I do become walking dead. Usually when this happens, the situation is usually so bad that we end up wiping anyway.

    A couple ideas I have for improving living dead, based on my experience playing DRK(I am not suggesting adding all of these effects to the skill, maybe just one or two of them to make it a more desirable ability):

    • Increase HP healing from all sources while in walking dead or living dead significantly, maybe something like 50%. This way the skill won't be a complete waste and you won't feel bad for surviving.
    • Increase damage dealt while in walking dead by 30% or so. This would fit the theme of the Dark knight a bit, and would make it be more like a last resort.
    • Increase the duration of walking dead to 15 seconds or so. At this time it's just a worse version of hallowed ground.
    • Give walking dead a distinct visual effect, so that people can know that it's active.
    • Have all actions heal hp for 100% of damage dealt while in walking dead. This would fit the zombie theme of the skill.
    • Make dark arts cost nothing while in walking dead. This could be interesting at least.
    • Make the cooldown become 30 seconds if walking dead doesn't activate.


    Or you could just change the skill to dread spikes like it should of been...


    Something like this:



    Dread Spikes: Covers you with dark spikes that steal hp from enemies who attack you for 100% of their damage dealt. Wears off after hp equal to 50% of your max HP has been drained.
    http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dread_Spikes

    Recast 360 seconds.

    Duration 10 seconds.
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    Last edited by Kelg; 07-02-2015 at 05:41 AM.

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    Having it immediately put you back at 50% HP and only require 50% of your HP to be healed back would be a great goddamn start.
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    Honestly, imo the ability is mechanically fine as it is and can provide a greater length of time in which the healer can leave you be than the other two.

    The thing is it requires a little more awareness and coordination or else you could end up with a dead tank. Part of this can be simply solved by you as the tank having callout macroed with the ability to let people know you used it and it would also be useful to have a callout macro for when you go into the Walking Dead state.

    Really all it needs is better feedback for when you get the Walking Dead state on you, such as an Aura visual effect or something like that to provide visual feedback to the healer and party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Aura visual effect or something like that to provide visual feedback to the healer and party.
    HP bar turns green and sickly. That would be clear as day for healers.
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyph View Post
    HP bar turns green and sickly. That would be clear as day for healers.
    YES
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    YES

    (this would be perfect)


    the few times I've used it, the healer didn't get what was happening and I died anyway. However, I guess it was nice that I lasted long enough for us to win regardless.
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    Last edited by Giantbane; 07-02-2015 at 07:43 AM.

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    A better visual indicator is a must for sure.

    I'd personally liked to have seen some kind of synergy to the HP drains while under the effect. Say a 800% HP return on Soul Eater and Abyssal Drain.
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    Juyon Intoner
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    I think the only true change it needs immediatly is to have things like Benediction work on it (if that is still something that doesn't take it off). Now if it needs other changes besides that then fine, but this needs to be done.
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    try using living dead with an AST healer...

    Honestly I think the ability is goofy and probably the only ability on Drk I'd actually want to see reworked.

    Eg. For 10s all incoming damage is redirected to your Mana pool at 20% of its original damage. If your mana reaches 0 the damage will affect your health as normal.

    Id just pop Living dead and then blood price and wait for the healer to catch up.
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    Last edited by Hundred; 07-02-2015 at 04:38 AM.

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    There's nothing wrong with Living Dead and complaining about it when Squenix has never addressed Holmgang is probably tilting at windmills. It's clear that in Squenix's minds, only PLD is allowed to have a genuinely useful, run-saving "OH S***" button because only PLD is the MT in their minds. WAR and DRK are always the OT role as far as the game's designers are concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya View Post
    There's nothing wrong with Living Dead and complaining about it when Squenix has never addressed Holmgang is probably tilting at windmills. It's clear that in Squenix's minds, only PLD is allowed to have a genuinely useful, run-saving "OH S***" button because only PLD is the MT in their minds. WAR and DRK are always the OT role as far as the game's designers are concerned.
    Living dead is not even up to homgang in terms of usefulness.

    Holmgang, recast 180

    Pros
    Can stop you from being knocked off the arena by attacks like landslide
    Can stop an enemy in their tracks
    Cannot fall under 1 hp
    short cooldown

    Cons
    Does not act as a defensive buff, but rather a safeguard against death.
    Can end up binding yourself and not the enemy.
    Requires a target to use.

    Living dead, recast 300
    Pros
    Has the possibility of being like a 10 second holmgang with an organized group.

    Cons
    Requires death to become active, otherwise, completely wasted
    It is potentially a 10 second holmgang, but you must be healed to 100% in order to survive.
    Requires organization to be useful
    No extra utility
    Longer recast than holmgang(almost as long of a recast as HG), while being more gimmicky


    Also, the dark knight is less useful than the warrior overall. Anything a dark knight can do can be done just as well, or better, by a warrior.
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