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    Avin00's Avatar
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    Only reporting back what the SCH was telling me and believe me he wasn't happy about it. However the 500 may be a bit of an exaggeration as he tends to be that type, but he wouldn't replace himself unless he thought that he was under performing in comparison to the AST
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    Gideon Highmourn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avin00 View Post
    Only reporting back what the SCH was telling me and believe me he wasn't happy about it. However the 500 may be a bit of an exaggeration as he tends to be that type, but he wouldn't replace himself unless he thought that he was under performing in comparison to the AST
    Even if the AST were lucky enough to draw Balance every time through the entire fight, you're only looking at (MAYBE) 45DPS~ average increase over the entire fight AT MOST, on a SINGLE TARGET; remember, it doesn't have a 100% up time, and is reliant entirely on RNG, so actually drawing it every time is incredibly unlikely, and even if you do, you'll still spend around 50% of the fight without the Balance buff running. Combined with the two DoTs AST has, which may be 150DPS~. SCH can easily put out more than that with Selene and their own DoTs, on average. I'm averaging 300DPS on SCH alone from DoTs during Bismark EX, not including what Selene adds to the group every 60 seconds.

    Your friend is grossly overestimating what AST is capable of adding in terms of DPS with their buffs, period.
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    Last edited by GideonHighmourn; 07-03-2015 at 11:53 PM.

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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avin00 View Post
    Only reporting back what the SCH was telling me and believe me he wasn't happy about it. However the 500 may be a bit of an exaggeration as he tends to be that type, but he wouldn't replace himself unless he thought that he was under performing in comparison to the AST
    How does exactly a 17% chance to add a single target 10% damage buff and another 17% chance to add a single target 10% attack speed buff that last 15 seconds every 30 seconds add more party damage than a 100% chance to add a party 3% attack speed buff for the next 30 seconds every 60 seconds? Not even accounting the fact SCH has a fairy and can handle DPSing under cleric far better than AST. Your friend either lies, relies on biased data or is not a very smart theorycrafter.
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    Last edited by Gallus; 07-04-2015 at 05:08 AM.

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    Crevox Shadeseer
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    However, I would say it is perfect alternative for a WHM for end game raids,
    It's not. AST gives the PIE buff instead of the MND buff to the party.

    If you went with AST and SCH, you wouldn't have a MND buff, and you'd just be crippling the both of you even more than just being an AST.

    On another note, now that I'm 58, things are starting to show even more. It wasn't so bad up to this point, but now I'm starting to struggle to keep a party alive. My healing throughput is extremely lacking. For example, on the last boss of Vault while on SCH, I had absolutely no issues, but now I just can't push out the heals enough sometimes, especially if people take hits they aren't supposed to. I'm also optimally geared, being item level 142/143 at level 58. My lack of healing power is extremely noticeable compared to my SCH.
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    Last edited by Crevox; 07-04-2015 at 12:09 AM.

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    Staris Fate
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    It's not. AST gives the PIE buff instead of the MND buff to the party.

    If you went with AST and SCH, you wouldn't have a MND buff, and you'd just be crippling the both of you even more than just being an AST.

    On another note, now that I'm 58, things are starting to show even more. It wasn't so bad up to this point, but now I'm starting to struggle to keep a party alive. My healing throughput is extremely lacking. For example, on the last boss of Vault while on SCH, I had absolutely no issues, but now I just can't push out the heals enough sometimes, especially if people take hits they aren't supposed to. I'm also optimally geared, being item level 142/143 at level 58. My lack of healing power is extremely noticeable compared to my SCH.
    lol the mind buff.
    healing has NEVER been the highest gate for kills.
    your doing it wrong
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    Jay'nes Alexander
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    Even if they just removed the healing potency reduction from lightspeed it would make the class desirable in raid content. The power to heal while moving would be huuuuuge.
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    The power to heal while moving would be huuuuuge.
    Not really, no. :| The cooldown is far too long regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    Not really, no. :| The cooldown is far too long regardless.
    It'd still be a functional cooldown at least, as opposed to one that can actively contribute to deaths and wipes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphicRadiance View Post
    It'd still be a functional cooldown at least, as opposed to one that can actively contribute to deaths and wipes.
    Oh yes, of course, I fully support the change; it needs it. However, I don't believe it would greatly affect our performance, especially enough for someone to go from "ew AST" to "wow invite that AST he's the best."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    Oh yes, of course, I fully support the change; it needs it. However, I don't believe it would greatly affect our performance, especially enough for someone to go from "ew AST" to "wow invite that AST he's the best."
    Not a tremendous amount, but it would be a noticeable one. It'd at least start to give AST a more defined role, that being reliable heals and quick, easy to use DPS tools while being able to easily switch back to healing.
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