Astrologian Needs Changes

[SuzakuCMX]

I don't think, given their current potency, AST would be OP if given the ability to switch between Dirunal and Nocturnal Sect. It would increase the skill ceiling, give them added versatility and viability. I don't think it would effect them much in 8-man content, especially when paired with a SCH.

I feel like they'd have to rebalance the sects in that case because you'd only want to pop into Di to apply regens, and then switch back to Noct for the 5% healing potency on Benefic/Benefic II. Or they'd have to give more skills differences in sects, since currently only 3 skills have differences and all 3 are inferior in Noct.

[GideonHighmourn]

I feel like they'd have to rebalance the sects in that case because you'd only want to pop into Di to apply regens, and then switch back to Noct for the 5% healing potency on Benefic/Benefic II. Or they'd have to give more skills differences in sects, since currently only 3 skills have differences and all 3 are inferior in Noct.

Dirunal could easily be the "DPS" stance, given the 5% haste; Nocturnal would easily be the "healing" stance since it gains 5% potency on Bene I/II. It may need minor tweaks, but I hardly think it'd be OP in the given form as some people are claiming it would be.

[SuzakuCMX]

Dirunal could easily be the "DPS" stance, given the 5% haste; Nocturnal would easily be the "healing" stance since it gains 5% potency on Bene I/II. It may need minor tweaks, but I hardly think it'd be OP in the given form as some people are claiming it would be.

It wouldn't be OP because the only benefit Noct gives over Di is the potency boost, which would put its base healing on-par with SCH/WHM which isn't OP at all. So you'd basically just be Di AST with 5% stronger healing sometimes.

[ckc22]

I don't think, given their current potency, AST would be OP if given the ability to switch between Dirunal and Nocturnal Sect. It would increase the skill ceiling, give them added versatility and viability. I don't think it would effect them much in 8-man content, especially when paired with a SCH.

Except you would step on the scholars toes because your shield overwrites ours even if its weaker.

[AiRinora]

I agree with the creater of this thread. I hope SE will remove the random part of Astrologian, because the only advantage particularity (I cant call card system an advantage cuz for now it doesn't give any real advantage) of this job is fully random! You can do the whole fight without seeing The Balance even once! The best if the Draw lets us choose from 3 random cards the one we want at this moment (It's an example! It can be anything that can remove complete rng of the card system).
I did the HW content with all 3 healers and I can say for sure that to do the same dungeons with WHM or SCH is 3 (!!!) times easier after you healed your heart out in these dungeons with Astro...Nothing to compare. I'm sad, i really like Astro, but SCH and WHM are too good in comparison and too easy to do their job (heal + good dps). Of course you CAN do all content with Astro! But it never be as easy for your team as with SCH + WHM.

[Rajeme]

Gotta love the salts hahaha.

[Miiu]

SE needs to focus fixing/buffing the card system. Because that is the only logical way for them to make AST its own thing. If they just buff the other abilties tht are just 1 to 1 copies of WHM abilties I could easily just play WHM and get the same experience.
Now that is not saying that they shouldn't do QoL changes like being able to switch stances during combat or not overwriting scholar's shields with ours.

I really hope in addition to the mentioned changes in the recent live letter they take a look at the draw cooldown and not being able to draw the same card when using shuffle.

[SerosJourney]

I'd be realy happy if just the cards get a good improvement!

Of course, there are some other abilities too that would benefit from buffing.

But lets see the fact that the AST relies on his cards! The healing output is fine with me and there are still the SCH and WHM who have big outputs ^^
Why making the AST the same?

So if they increase the Buffs of cards and the duration, it would be very nice!
The only thing I REALY don't understand is Collective Unconcious. To be "unconcious" to move and heal meanwhile is just....stupid x . X

[SuzakuCMX]

But lets see the fact that the AST relies on his cards! The healing output is fine with me and there are still the SCH and WHM who have big outputs ^^

If Savage Alex is tuned to be with the healing from WHM/SCH, then AST won't be able to keep up without putting a lot more pressure on whoever the other healer is.

If Savage Alex is tuned to be with the healing from AST/OtherHealer, then WHM/SCH can duo-heal the fight easily enough to output at least 200-400 DPS ontop of keeping the party alive whereas an AST likely won't be able to DPS at all.

Therefore the cards either have to make up for 200-400 DPS throughout the entire fight (which they currently don't) or the AST needs to be able to heal well enough to go into Cleric Stance and DPS....which likely won't be possible because of MP issues.

This also doesn't address the fact that Noct Stance is almost completely useless compared to Diurnal because the only real benefit of Noct is 5% more potency, which is lost when you factor in how much healing a Diurnal AST gets from 3 different regen abilities.

[Rewind]

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You are making so many assumptions, once again, before savage has been released. There's never been a time in any of the current content where I felt my other healer companion was "carrying me". I've talked to other healers and whilst we all generally agree that nocturnal stance is absolutely broken and useless, Diurnal stance is overall fine for content.

Healing is not a competition. It's about working as a team. If that means the SCH/WHM you are paired with has to spend a little less time in cleric stance then that is 100% fine. It's not like your heals as AST are taking away health from a player - your other healer will be fine.

A healers first priority is healing. DPS is an added benefit. If a WHM/SCH team have the ability to spend a little more time in cleric stance, that is also 100% fine but it doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things - DPS still need to do DPS things, work hard, and meet DPS checks.