Astrologian Needs Changes

[RichardButte]

Completely agree with the OP and glad to see someone else echoing what I had said earlier...

Unless SE plans to nerf resource regen in raids, Ewer and Spire are going to be useless by definition because they're cards that should actually never be needed. I guess you could say that Ewer can be used to offset AST's mana issues, but it would be better if the class didn't have those mana issues to start with and Ewer wasn't a waste of a card.

Folks need to remember that the inherent randomness of these buffs means that they need to be VERY good to compensate. A 17% chance of drawing a card means that, when you get the right one, it NEEDS to be amazing.

Frankly, they could probably double the potency and duration on all AST buffs and that might actually put the class where it needs to be...

[Crevox]

healing has NEVER been the highest gate for kills.

MND is also healer DPS, which will likely account for more than whatever small amount of DPS you will gain from having an AST anyways.

(which, by the way, there is no gain, due to the fact that AST's DPS is smaller than WHM and SCH, even with the cards added on)

[Avin00]

These weren't estimate's they were based on real data from parses in Ravana Extreme.

[RichardButte]

These weren't estimate's they were based on real data from parses in Ravana Extreme.

Maybe the DPS were like "Shit, we better work harder to kill this thing before the AST goes OOM..."?

[Cynfael]

These weren't estimate's they were based on real data from parses in Ravana Extreme.

You just defined an estimation "based on real data."

Your friend is not reporting correctly. Assuming similar performance with each attempt, it is mathematically impossible for the raid to experience a 500 DPS increase simply because of the presence of AST rather than SCH.

[GideonHighmourn]

You just defined an estimation "based on real data."

Your friend is not reporting correctly. Assuming similar performance with each attempt, it is mathematically impossible for the raid to experience a 500 DPS increase simply because of the presence of AST rather than SCH.

This.

Unless one of your DPS is sporting 10k DPS; Balance is a 10% boost, with at most a 50% up time (discounting time Dilation, but still wouldn't make it near 100%) given it's drawn 100% of the time (which it's not). Even using Empowered Royal Road for 15% instead of 10%, you'd be halving your up time on Draws. Even with using Expanded Royal Road, you'd still lose out on a Draw.

Otherwise, it's statistically impossible for AST to add 500 DPS to a raid group through buffs.

Nice try though.

It's possible your friend meant his AST added (nearly) 500 DPS including buffs and his own DPS, which is possible. However, that would likely meant he spent 90% of his time in Cleric Stance, didn't heal, and drew Balance nearly every time; SCH could easily do the same, while still contributing Embrace ever 2.5s and Selene's haste buff with far less effort and RNG involved. Another DPS could also easily provide more, if that's the case where another healer was essentially solo healing the encounter.

[RichardButte]

It's possible your friend meant his AST added (nearly) 500 DPS including buffs and his own DPS, which is possible. However, that would likely meant he spent 90% of his time in Cleric Stance, didn't heal, and drew Balance nearly every time; SCH could easily do the same, while still contributing Embrace ever 2.5s and Selene's haste buff with far less effort and RNG involved. Another DPS could also easily provide more, if that's the case where another healer was essentially solo healing the encounter.

That's one of the best parts of SCH: if everything is going according to plan, you can just slip into CS and go to town for a bit. Even if people suddenly get hit, you can drop CS in a heartbeat and Tinkerbell will be there to start healing right away, even without your intervention.

Also, there's nothing better than being saved from a wipe because you got silenced and then your Selene dispels it immediately...

Seriously, ASTs need to bring SOOOOOOO much more to the table to rival the healing power and utility of the other healers...

And that's the other problem I keep seeing: AST isn't a class in a vacuum. It has two other healing classes to compete with, and you'd best believe that all raid content is going to be balanced around the most potent healers that can be brought to each encounter.

We can look at fighting games as a parallel, here: it doesn't matter how amazing a character's moves look on paper. What matters is how well each of their matchups with the other characters in the game go, and right now, AST is definitely trailing the other two classes.

After all, if raid content was balanced around the idea that you could dual-AST heal it, groups bringing WHM/SCH would have it cleared in less than a week.

[Brightshadow]

Edits Coming Soon Big Post

[EchuKayu]

All of the cards should have a use, if spire and bole and ewer are so situational and you can spend so much time without any benefit and having so long before you can make use of the good cards, they need to be buffed so that they're all worth using. Make me want to buff people with bole, make me want to spread it because hey, not only does it reduce damage it lasts for a minute, make spire give TP and increase physical damage dealt hell card buffs override each other WHY can't I? Why do all cards last the same amount of time when they could easily last longer? Should draw have a lower cd? should shuffle? spread? Wouldn't it be fun and interesting if you were playing with those cards a whole lot more? I would be GLAD to take a hit to CO/TD and anything that increases the cards amount, if they just made using them all useful.

One big problem I have is RR and how much your luck matters drawing after. Sometimes you click every card buff off, or you just click that expanded off because you've wasted so many cards and you get bolebolespearbole.

[Crevox]

bump for relevance before live letter