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    Player
    Khyan's Avatar
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    Khyan Leikas
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    "Thus I strongly argue that the astrologian is the offensive healer and the best healer to take for DPS check heavy fights. Used PROPERLY (and I see few use AST properly at all). "

    Not agree at all. At this moment, I prefer to have a SCH that can dps with Selene out. SCH is a offensive healer and always the best one at this moment. AST buffs are too much RNG (you need to be lucky for buff all the party member with the good buff) and aren't worth it.

    If you need to reach a dps check, a scholar is still the best atm. He can dps and heal with Selene as support. AST need to be lucky through the entire fight and the time to use card and buff party member is less dps for him.

    SCH have more heal instant (that use aether stack of course) than AST. SCH can dps more due to this too.

    You underestimate your main heal but it's the true "offensive healer" you know. Not AST at all.

    I'm 60 AST and I can't do what an SCH can do. It's probably not my job and will never be.

    Another point too. I use synastry on, for example, Bismark EX during the phase 2, for let the whm or sch dps while I heal both tanks. You mean, it's better than fairy? don't agree at all again.

    Synastry is 120 cooldown, it's too much for being efficient. You need to use this skill at a good moment because the CD is too high.
    Selene, heal all the 3 sc all the time a tank, and you can even use maccro for let her heal one member only. Synastry is definitely not OP at all, usefull but situational. You can't say Selene is less efficient than synastry, it's wrong. It depend of the situation, period.
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    Last edited by Khyan; 07-02-2015 at 12:59 AM.

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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I think there's been a pretty thorough coverage of the healers so far, particular from SovereignAegis. I just want to round out the info with WHM a little more on 2 points:

    1. WHM actually has excellent single target healing. Cure II has always been considerably more powerful than lustrate, even on tanks pre-heavensward. In fact, cure I + Divine Seal would do that.
    The strength of lustrate is that it's 1. instant and 2. 1 second recast. WHM spells have significant lead time -- as another poster said, you need to be very proactive on WHM, while SCH's lustrate excels at emergency healing.
    Also, just as SCH has gotten more tools to help with AoE healing, WHM has gotten a few more instant heals with the expansion to help with the whole lead time thing.

    2. DPS. WHM can actually do pretty good DPS, especially with the expac now. The catch is there's no healing pet to keep up healing in the DPS stance. However, bismarck ex and ravana ex, as examples, both have burn phases without much or any damage going out. Throw out HoTs, hit cleric, and nuke away -- in this circumstance WHM does OK, and may even have advantages in certain circumstances as its damage is front loaded.

    Generally, however, if you want to focus on maximizing DPS while healing, SCH is the way to go.

    My AST is not 60 yet but it's DPS abilities seem to be a 1:1 copy of WHM dps skills, but with 10 less potency.
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    Delferia Seule
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    Siren
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Don't forget that AST's native DoT's are unaffected by accuracy, so they are able to put a reliable 690 potency on the board in less than three seconds, especially with Diurnal's 5% cast speed buff.

    For your first healer, I'd recommend SCH or WHM. SCH has a low skill floor and the fairy will heal alongside you, this is really good if you're uncomfortable healing in general since it makes it more forgiving. SCH's have a much easier time managing MP. If you are interested in AST, WHM is a great trainer, as it will teach you MP management, which is vital considering MP is much less abundant on these classes, and a lot of the base skills share similarities between the jobs.

    Of course, don't feel committed to a job if you continue to level it and it doesn't do anything for you. Healing between all three jobs is pretty varied, so if you find that one class doesn't float your boat, try another. Also, low level dungeons that will test your mettle while leveling include Brayflox, Stone Vigil, and Aurum Vale, just don't be surprised to encounter a couple speed bumps along the way. Good luck regardless of what you choose, and come back with any questions you run into.
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    Last edited by Seryl199; 07-02-2015 at 01:30 AM.

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    Adore Mi
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Here's my opinion if you are starting as a brand new healer.

    SCH is by far the easiest to learn. Essentially unlimited MP, fairy sidekick, normal heals, instant heals, shields.

    WHM is more complicated, not in terms of heals, but in terms of MP management and enemy aggro management, but they have the most powerful heals in the game.

    AST is by far the most complicated, as you will need to learn both of their stances (which are similar to SCH and WHM), but they also have even greater MP management issues than a WHM does, less potent heals, plus the added complication of learning when to use their cards and on whom to use them.
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    Taleena Nox
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Methinks some posters have rose colored goggles. AST is not best of both worlds (WHM and SCH)--more like watered down versions but with buffs included. AST RNG is being seriously glossed over--and no you cannot "dramatically improve the chance" to get the card you want. Pass over what you're smoking. Not that AST can't do the job--but it's pretty clear from the many other threads there are a lot of people with issues (and it's not because they are all bad players). Also Selene's buff is not inconsequential not to mention SCH can give 10% dmg reduction without RNG and on demand and AOE absorb. Personally, I am having a hard time settling on a healing main myself, because they all have their pros and cons.
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    Fahna Eldaeron
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    Midgardsormr
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tal72 View Post
    Methinks some posters have rose colored goggles. AST is not best of both worlds (WHM and SCH)--more like watered down versions but with buffs included. AST RNG is being seriously glossed over--and no you cannot "dramatically improve the chance" to get the card you want. Pass over what you're smoking. Not that AST can't do the job--but it's pretty clear from the many other threads there are a lot of people with issues (and it's not because they are all bad players). Also Selene's buff is not inconsequential not to mention SCH can give 10% dmg reduction without RNG and on demand and AOE absorb.
    All of this. The RNG curbs the jobs potential. There are moments when I score just the right cards when I need em', and a host of other times when I draw the same card 8 or more times in a row, shuffles included. Let's not forget that the spear card is presently lackluster without voice communication (and even then, it can still be a pain).
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    Selli Noblesse
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    I'd say try them all out, OP. They're each different in their own way, and you might like one more than the other. I started as a WHM and I did loose interest for a while and tried to be a SCH, but I found my comfort was much stronger as a WHM, so that's the class I've stayed with.
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