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    Kiteless's Avatar
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    Bluethroat Cantus
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    Mateus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 89
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    Can it be argued there's no reason to take a DRK at the moment in their current state if you're a min/maxer... sure. Basically the argument is you want the safest possible run regardless of how skilled the player is.
    Not only can it be argued, that's the simple truth. DRK offers no utility as an OT, while still having less damage and sustainability than WAR, and it has the worst mitigation amoung the tanks as an MT, while not supporting its party at all and still having less damage and sustainability than WAR.
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    Altani Dotharl
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    Diabolos
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiteless View Post
    Not only can it be argued, that's the simple truth. DRK offers no utility as an OT, while still having less damage and sustainability than WAR, and it has the worst mitigation amoung the tanks as an MT, while not supporting its party at all and still having less damage and sustainability than WAR.
    then why did you level it

    why are you still playing it lol

    you also cried not viable when people didn't want warriors while we were clearing primals and coil too xD
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    Echo Sindria
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    then why did you level it

    why are you still playing it lol

    you also cried not viable when people didn't want warriors while we were clearing primals and coil too xD
    Implying people knew Drk would turn out this way before they even leveled it.
    Implying being angry over actual problems Drk has is 'crying'.
    Implying that anything would get fixed if people simply stopped playing jobs.
    Implying it's as easy as just going to a different job this early into an expansion where leveling alts is a pita.
    Implying Warrior was any good before their buffs.

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    DRK started at level 30. you could see all of the abilities it would get up to level 50 lol and if you were that hype about it you probably studied up on what abilities it was going to get

    what else do you call it when you are sitting around in your underwear acting like the sky is falling and whining on a message board about min maxing when you aren't even in a group where it will actually matter

    actually, yes. developers do not work hard to make useless things. if it is not as good as they designed it to be, they will fix it.

    just because it's a pain the ass doesn't mean you can't do it.

    i did fine with warrior, i cleared the first coil. i did the primals. i sold carries. good enough to sell content to people who thought their class was too shit to do anything.

    i'm not saying don't give feedback but this whining about WORST TANK tripe is just lol. there are only 3 tanks of course one of them is going to be the worst -_-

    it's just ridiculous the level that people take it to when they don't even play on a level where any shortcomings they are complaining about will matter
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    Sera Vandis
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 54

    Tank classes and DRK

    I'm not going to attempt to invalidate any of the statements made by posters about Dark Knight, as i'm sure at least some of the people making these statements have done proper testing. I just find it interesting that some speak as if SE won't address problems if they exist. As they are now, Dark Knight "can" perform in the role it was created for; they can tank (I won't argue about being better or worse than the other tanks, that's already been covered). Eventually SE will tweak things that need tweaking, so the forum posts are useful (not saying don't post), but there shouldn't be a need to act like the job will have these flaws forever.

    Regardless of changes, regardless of which tank is better on paper in any instance, a lot of the gameplay relies on the player's knowledge and ability to play the job. You will still have paladins that excel, and others that stink, and yet others who are average. That being the case, you will also likely play with dark knights who run content better than other tanks you've played with, even now.

    Yes, I realize i'm only a level 52 dark knight, which is why i'm not commenting on class deficiencies etc. However, I realize that as I play and get used to the 16 keybinds on my mouse I suck less and less every day I play.

    Even if a dark knight is squishier, as long as he's not squishier because he's being dumb, shouldn't a healer view that as an opportunity to show off his/her skill? Perhaps i'm viewing this in the wrong light, but if the game was totally easy and required no skill to play, what would be the point of playing it? I'd rather just play a mobile phone game in that case.
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    Lazy Ale
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    Gladiator Lv 30
    Quote Originally Posted by Troile View Post
    I'm not going to attempt to invalidate any of the statements made by posters about Dark Knight, as i'm sure at least some of the people making these statements have done proper testing. I just find it interesting that some speak as if SE won't address problems if they exist. As they are now, Dark Knight "can" perform in the role it was created for; they can tank (I won't argue about being better or worse than the other tanks, that's already been covered). Eventually SE will tweak things that need tweaking, so the forum posts are useful (not saying don't post), but there shouldn't be a need to act like the job will have these flaws forever.

    Regardless of changes, regardless of which tank is better on paper in any instance, a lot of the gameplay relies on the player's knowledge and ability to play the job. You will still have paladins that excel, and others that stink, and yet others who are average. That being the case, you will also likely play with dark knights who run content better than other tanks you've played with, even now.

    Yes, I realize i'm only a level 52 dark knight, which is why i'm not commenting on class deficiencies etc. However, I realize that as I play and get used to the 16 keybinds on my mouse I suck less and less every day I play.

    Even if a dark knight is squishier, as long as he's not squishier because he's being dumb, shouldn't a healer view that as an opportunity to show off his/her skill? Perhaps i'm viewing this in the wrong light, but if the game was totally easy and required no skill to play, what would be the point of playing it? I'd rather just play a mobile phone game in that case.

    You're failing to realize the Paladin and Warrior both have niches they can fill and a purpose. One does something better than the other. The DRK has no real edge.
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    Gremms Foulke
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Anger View Post
    The DRK has no real edge.
    am I the only one who found this ironic
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