Changing DRK to DPS entirely?

[Kaedan94]

I think you missed my point.

You brought up that when looking at min/maxing, a DRK brings nothing. Thats my point. DRK may not be bad, but its not as good as WAR or PLD. It would always be preferable to bring a WAR or PLD over a DRK.

And you missed my point. The bolded section in your quote is not true. It is not always preferable to bring a WAR or PLD. A good DRK player can perform the tank job just as well as a WAR or PLD. They have the mitigation necessary to succeed at tanking any content, they just need to be careful of their timing.

It's only preferable to bring WAR or PLD if you aren't confident in your tank player's ability to play DRK... I.E. you want the safer route "just in case".

[Gruntler]

The problem is, it'd always be preferable to take a WAR or a PLD.

Given how abysmally squishy the Warriors I keep finding in duty finder are in Fractal and Never, some having less hps in Defiance than a brand new Paladin, I'm going to disagree fervently.

At least until the warriors realize it isn't 2.55 any more and stop taking gearing advice from reddit threads that are half a year old.

[Kiteless]

Can it be argued there's no reason to take a DRK at the moment in their current state if you're a min/maxer... sure. Basically the argument is you want the safest possible run regardless of how skilled the player is.

Not only can it be argued, that's the simple truth. DRK offers no utility as an OT, while still having less damage and sustainability than WAR, and it has the worst mitigation amoung the tanks as an MT, while not supporting its party at all and still having less damage and sustainability than WAR.

[Delorean]

Not only can it be argued, that's the simple truth. DRK offers no utility as an OT, while still having less damage and sustainability than WAR, and it has the worst mitigation amoung the tanks as an MT, while not supporting its party at all and still having less damage and sustainability than WAR.

then why did you level it

why are you still playing it lol

you also cried not viable when people didn't want warriors while we were clearing primals and coil too xD

[Ditto]

then why did you level it

why are you still playing it lol

you also cried not viable when people didn't want warriors while we were clearing primals and coil too xD

Implying people knew Drk would turn out this way before they even leveled it.
Implying being angry over actual problems Drk has is 'crying'.
Implying that anything would get fixed if people simply stopped playing jobs.
Implying it's as easy as just going to a different job this early into an expansion where leveling alts is a pita.
Implying Warrior was any good before their buffs.

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[Delorean]

DRK started at level 30. you could see all of the abilities it would get up to level 50 lol and if you were that hype about it you probably studied up on what abilities it was going to get

what else do you call it when you are sitting around in your underwear acting like the sky is falling and whining on a message board about min maxing when you aren't even in a group where it will actually matter

actually, yes. developers do not work hard to make useless things. if it is not as good as they designed it to be, they will fix it.

just because it's a pain the ass doesn't mean you can't do it.

i did fine with warrior, i cleared the first coil. i did the primals. i sold carries. good enough to sell content to people who thought their class was too shit to do anything.

i'm not saying don't give feedback but this whining about WORST TANK tripe is just lol. there are only 3 tanks of course one of them is going to be the worst -_-

it's just ridiculous the level that people take it to when they don't even play on a level where any shortcomings they are complaining about will matter

[Troile]

I'm not going to attempt to invalidate any of the statements made by posters about Dark Knight, as i'm sure at least some of the people making these statements have done proper testing. I just find it interesting that some speak as if SE won't address problems if they exist. As they are now, Dark Knight "can" perform in the role it was created for; they can tank (I won't argue about being better or worse than the other tanks, that's already been covered). Eventually SE will tweak things that need tweaking, so the forum posts are useful (not saying don't post), but there shouldn't be a need to act like the job will have these flaws forever.

Regardless of changes, regardless of which tank is better on paper in any instance, a lot of the gameplay relies on the player's knowledge and ability to play the job. You will still have paladins that excel, and others that stink, and yet others who are average. That being the case, you will also likely play with dark knights who run content better than other tanks you've played with, even now.

Yes, I realize i'm only a level 52 dark knight, which is why i'm not commenting on class deficiencies etc. However, I realize that as I play and get used to the 16 keybinds on my mouse I suck less and less every day I play.

Even if a dark knight is squishier, as long as he's not squishier because he's being dumb, shouldn't a healer view that as an opportunity to show off his/her skill? Perhaps i'm viewing this in the wrong light, but if the game was totally easy and required no skill to play, what would be the point of playing it? I'd rather just play a mobile phone game in that case.

[Lionheart401]

Can it be argued there's no reason to take a DRK at the moment in their current state if you're a min/maxer... sure. Basically the argument is you want the safest possible run regardless of how skilled the player is.

The facts are, though, that DRK can perform perfectly well even in Coil, they just have to be played by someone who knows what they are doing. It's true that they have to be careful about their CDs and know exactly when to use them and how to time them correctly to always have the right ones available. So you can't just take any pug DRK and expect them to work like you generally can with a PLD.

Great answer

[Avalon_Albrook]

The Dark Knight salt from some people is so real, which is a shame. For them.

[HexWeaver]

I originally was hoping DRK would be a DPS, it's main focus has always been high damage above all else.