Sick of unjust vote dismisses

[ZeigusAstora]

Something about Vote Dismiss needs to change. I've gone through a bunch of Expert Roulettes since Vote Dismiss came out and just before the boss, I'd get kicked. No one says a word the entire dungeon, then everyone just stands still in silence and I get kicked. The heck happened? Sometimes, I get it. I told a tank to stop stopping and to pull things or else I'd pull. Fine, he cried in /tells to tell the DPS to vote kick just before the final boss... but this is just dumb that this is allowed. You should only be able to vote kick people for being AFK in Dungeons. It's impossible to troll in baby dungeons. Kicking for ANY reason should be allowed only in Alliance junk since it's a way bigger majority needed.

[Anubis_Nephthys]

Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

[KaedrianLiang]

Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

Can't send messages to other party members. they only way they could communicate like OP claims is that they were que'ed together and face-to-face irl or on a voip. Ingroup fallacy. Illogical use of the vote to kick feature is abuse.

OP didn't say anything that would be considered harassment, no different from a fellow employee telling another employee "do your job or i'll do it for you." Completely harmless while trying to get the day's work done. Had OP actually pulled mobs intentionally after saying that, then that would be grounds to kick someone.

That aside, we dont even know if hes telling us everything.

From what the OP has chosen to reveal to us, if less than all that had transpired, he's a victim of vote kick abuse.

Personally i've only used the vote to kick feature for players that are:
A. offline
B. AFK for an extended period of time without saying anything (example missing a boss, missing 5 pulls, death because of the absence of a player)
C. Discrimination in the form of IRL race, nation and creed, even if its not directed at anyone in the party. (example, this really did happen: "all you americans think you're right with your speed runs." "buddy not a single one of us is from the US, but we are going to kick you anyways for your belligerence.")
D. Obvious trolling (example: causing a wipe and demonstrating pride in it)

I have been kicked for:
A. Not talking or replying to idle chit chat within the party. There are days where i don't feel like chatting in a DF.
B. Killing adds instead of focusing the previous boss that was cleared in the 1st attempt.
C. Not killing adds and focusing boss in the previous boss that cleared in the 1st attempt.
D. Having the minimum entry requirements to a Duty. This was when i first started playing 2.0. This was not a PF party. Maiden run through relic reborn quest trials. "kick that smn" "what? why?" "your gear sucks" "you have been dismissed from duty"
E. watching cutscenes, without being prompt to skip cutscenes. This was during my maiden run through praetorium.
F. No reason at all, maybe they wanted to get their friend in for the last boss kill.
G. Kicked for giving genuine tips for <class> for <specified duty>, because said player(s) said they were first time to the duty or first time doing the specified duty as that job. Before being kicked they stated that it came off as "we dont like being told what to do."
H. Players in a random DF que just happen to be from the same server and were very vocal about how they don't like someone in my FC, i chose to ignore his comments and not reply. Failed Logic: You are in the same FC as someone i dont like, therefore i hate you too. You aren't even replying to my harassment of you and your FC, you think you are better than me? /kick
I. Not pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the tank. Non-speed run.
J. Pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the Tank. Speed Run.
K Using a strategy that i knew and worked effectively if not better than what others were accustom to.
L. Not adding dps as a healer.
M. Adding dps as a healer.
N. Not using cleric stance when adding dps as a healer. level sync duty. Only had 2 slots as a sch for additional skills/spells. I chose protect and presence of mind.
O. Spamming aoe heal's during during Garuda HM as to attract the sister aggro, solo heal 3 runs in no deaths. under 3 minute clears. Must have hurt the 2nd tank's pride, even though i stated "OT focus garuda plz"
P. Dismounting in Frontlines to heal an ally in another party that's about to be killed, a party member was mumbling about me not being with the party as if i were AFK or intentionally being disruptive.
Q. As a BLM, using varying Thunder I, II, III, to suit the moment. "Why aren't you using Thunder III all the time?" thats like asking why arent you using fire III all the time?
R. There's more but this is getting long.

Majority of players are illogical in both play and life. The Vote to kick feature is being abused more than its legitimately benefiting anyone. Voting is not a right, its a responsibility.

[Darkobra]

OP didn't say anything that would be considered harassment

That you know of. Of course he's lying and cherry picking. You think he's going to tell you the part he kept at it for a solid 5 minutes swearing blindly? Or the part he went AFK until the dungeon went his way?

You have no way of knowing what goes on in that dungeon. And I'll tell you something. This wasn't a one-off with him. It's consistent. Is the problem the rest of the world or is it him?

Think on that one.

[Amateru]

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Personally i've only used the vote to kick feature for players that are:
A. offline
B. AFK for an extended period of time without saying anything (example missing a boss, missing 5 pulls, death because of the absence of a player)
C. Discrimination in the form of IRL race, nation and creed, even if its not directed at anyone in the party. (example, this really did happen: "all you americans think you're right with your speed runs." "buddy not a single one of us is from the US, but we are going to kick you anyways for your belligerence.")
D. Obvious trolling (example: causing a wipe and demonstrating pride in it)

I have been kicked for:
A. Not talking or replying to idle chit chat within the party. There are days where i don't feel like chatting in a DF.
B. Killing adds instead of focusing the previous boss that was cleared in the 1st attempt.
C. Not killing adds and focusing boss in the previous boss that cleared in the 1st attempt.
D. Having the minimum entry requirements to a Duty. This was when i first started playing 2.0. This was not a PF party. Maiden run through relic reborn quest trials. "kick that smn" "what? why?" "your gear sucks" "you have been dismissed from duty"
E. watching cutscenes, without being prompt to skip cutscenes. This was during my maiden run through praetorium.
F. No reason at all, maybe they wanted to get their friend in for the last boss kill.
G. Kicked for giving genuine tips for <class> for <specified duty>, because said player(s) said they were first time to the duty or first time doing the specified duty as that job. Before being kicked they stated that it came off as "we dont like being told what to do."
H. Players in a random DF que just happen to be from the same server and were very vocal about how they don't like someone in my FC, i chose to ignore his comments and not reply. Failed Logic: You are in the same FC as someone i dont like, therefore i hate you too. You aren't even replying to my harassment of you and your FC, you think you are better than me? /kick
I. Not pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the tank. Non-speed run.
J. Pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the Tank. Speed Run.
K Using a strategy that i knew and worked effectively if not better than what others were accustom to.
L. Not adding dps as a healer.
M. Adding dps as a healer.
N. Not using cleric stance when adding dps as a healer. level sync duty. Only had 2 slots as a sch for additional skills/spells. I chose protect and presence of mind.
O. Spamming aoe heal's during during Garuda HM as to attract the sister aggro, solo heal 3 runs in no deaths. under 3 minute clears. Must have hurt the 2nd tank's pride, even though i stated "OT focus garuda plz"
P. Dismounting in Frontlines to heal an ally in another party that's about to be killed, a party member was mumbling about me not being with the party as if i were AFK or intentionally being disruptive.
Q. As a BLM, using varying Thunder I, II, III, to suit the moment. "Why aren't you using Thunder III all the time?" thats like asking why arent you using fire III all the time?
R. There's more but this is getting long.

Majority of players are illogical in both play and life. The Vote to kick feature is being abused more than its legitimately benefiting anyone. Voting is not a right, its a responsibility.

I just love your post! One of the jewels in this forum with good reasoning. Please write more like this!

I was too vote kicked few times as a tank. As for now any reason is a good reason, so its not important why.
Above not really liking vote kick at all, which I too think is used for abusing a lot, I don't like the way you get to know you got kicked - black loading screen out of the blue and you're in where you came from.

Also as far as I know it is NOT majority voting while in 4 players dungeon! You are being kicked by 2 players! Which is a half party vote! It does not include you, who do not want to be kicked. In normal voting practices you can vote for yourself! Then it could be a draw in Duty Finder kick!

I would propose an option to vote for yourself! Then it will be more fair! And while adding that we need to know who initiated the kick vote, so then maybe the vote initializer will be fairly kicked by the majority. Additional merit to this kind of a system would be not being kicked by showing out of the blue loading screen but actually know that a voting has started.

[Charisma]

A. Not talking or replying to idle chit chat within the party. There are days where i don't feel like chatting in a DF.
D. Having the minimum entry requirements to a Duty. This was when i first started playing 2.0. This was not a PF party. Maiden run through relic reborn quest trials. "kick that smn" "what? why?" "your gear sucks" "you have been dismissed from duty"
E. watching cutscenes, without being prompt to skip cutscenes. This was during my maiden run through praetorium.
I. Not pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the tank. Non-speed run.
J. Pulling multiple groups at a time when playing as the Tank. Speed Run.
L. Not adding dps as a healer.
M. Adding dps as a healer.
N. Not using cleric stance when adding dps as a healer. level sync duty. Only had 2 slots as a sch for additional skills/spells. I chose protect and presence of mind.
O. Spamming aoe heal's during during Garuda HM as to attract the sister aggro, solo heal 3 runs in no deaths. under 3 minute clears. Must have hurt the 2nd tank's pride, even though i stated "OT focus garuda plz"
Q. As a BLM, using varying Thunder I, II, III, to suit the moment. "Why aren't you using Thunder III all the time?" thats like asking why arent you using fire III all the time?

I picked the things i do more or less and even after having every class, except monk, leveled to 50, i never got votekicked so far.
but thats probly because im keeping "critism" to myself, since im not going to see this players ever again.
Im not sure how you get kicked that often, but i guess its because, the reasons stated above were not the only reasons.

Im pretty sure most people get kicked because they are being jerks, while they are not THAT good.

[Ashkendor]

N. Not using cleric stance when adding dps as a healer. level sync duty. Only had 2 slots as a sch for additional skills/spells. I chose protect and presence of mind.

Are you sure you chose PoM? That's a WHM skill from the level 30 job quest if I remember correctly.

[NyarukoW]

....Majority of players are illogical in both play and life...

Logical or not, the majority of players do not abuse the vote kick and do not vote kick on every dungeon run. The odds of encountering the vote kick is like less than 1 in 500.

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The Vote to kick feature is being abused more than its legitimately benefiting anyone.
...

That is an unproven claim. Vote kick abuse does occur, but threat of vote kick has at least worked as a strong disincentive for the trolls to make trouble in the dungeons. The fact that 99.9% of the runs do NOT invoke the vote kick and people are not held up by AFK trolls and such is a good demonstration that it is working well.

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Voting is not a right, its a responsibility.

Voting is a RIGHT and also a responsibility and players needs to excercise that right responsibly and logically.

It is no badge of pride to never been vote kicked nor is it a scarlet letter of shame to be vote kicked. People staying silent are being complicit to the abuse instead of standing up and calling out the trolls. On the flip side the OP sounds like someone looking for fight and being confrontational all the time, that will invariably lead to people responding with the vote kick.

[Devils_Lawyer]

It's impossible to troll in baby dungeons.

Do you even know why we have the votekick feature?

[Lavelios]