War ssshhhh

[Ashkendor]

Warriors lets keep quiet about how awesome we are, and maybe devs won't nerf us lolololol.

Well, you already lost the auto-crit heals in the hotfix so... >.>

I still suspect we'll see Fell Cleave get beat with the nerf stick.

[Hundred]

I still suspect we'll see Fell Cleave get beat with the nerf stick.

Based on what, the similar parses that both Drk and Pld are putting out in their DPS stances?



Put some things in perspective here...
150 Heavy swing, 200 Skull Sunder, 280 Butchers block = 630 potency
150 Heavy swing, 190 Maim, 270 Storms eye = 610 Potency...

150 Hard Slash, 220 SpinningSlash, 300 Power slash = 670 Potency
150 Hard Slash, 250 Syphon Strike, 280 Delirium Blade = 680 Potency.
150 hard slash, 250 Syphon strike, 400 DA Soul Eater = 800 Potency...

Lets say a Warrior already is under Maim and someone else is applying Storms eye for him. His strongest combo then is the BB combo.
He runs that twice (1260 potency), then does Heavy Swing and Skull sunder (1610 Potency) all together... Now he has 5 stacks and hits Fell cleave (2110) Potency. 2110 Potency after 9 attacks.

The Drk comes in, again someone has applied storms eye for him already.
Dark arts Soul eater combos three times for 9 attacks as well for 2400 potency.... aka 13% more. In raw Potency the warrior is losing out.
We certainly can also consider Berserk. We should also consider that Fracture is 300 potency and Scourge is 500, aka 66% more potency... We'll also have to ignore the DRKS off the GCD attacks such as Dark Passenger, Plunge, Salted Earth,reprisal, etc....

Warriors have burst damage. Fell Cleave being nerfed would be be very ignorant. If theres a real advantage here its partially in equilibrium giving back TP. The Drk is going to tap out earlier unless a DPS gives him some TP to use and then he'll end up Unmend spamming.

Granted in actuality... If this was set-up with a Drk and War both aiming to DPS at the same time. The war would have to get Maim set-up and have to deal with the reduced potency of the Storms eye combo and the Drk would benefit off the warriors Slashing debuff, while having Dark sides benefits from the very start.

Tank damage difference is not large at all. Theres what a 910 parse of Drk already?

[Ashkendor]

Based on what, the similar parses that both Drk and Pld are putting out in their DPS stances?

Not saying I think it's right or wrong since I haven't looked much into it. It's a sneaking suspicion based on the fact that I've heard of it doing ridiculously high amounts of damage. That's all. Hopefully SE looks at the big picture. ^^

I need to level up my Warrior to see what all the fuss is about, in any case. So much to do, so little time. >.>

[Dement]

Not saying I think it's right or wrong since I haven't looked much into it. It's a sneaking suspicion based on the fact that I've heard of it doing ridiculously high amounts of damage. That's all. Hopefully SE looks at the big picture. ^^

The ridiculously high amounts of damage that Fell Cleave has done are very limited and based on perfect conditions. Essentially the pic everyone is talking about of Fell Cleave doing 11k damage is on Ravana EX when the WAR had maim, Storm's Eye, Berserk, Internal Release, Maybe the DRG Crit+ buff, Draconian Potion of Strength HQ, and it was executed at a time when Ravana takes increased damage.

It'd be like saying that WAR needs to take an HP nerf because I saw a picture where a WAR exceeded 45k HP by getting 50% echo, using a Draconian VIT HQ potion, and using Thrill of Battle. The circumstances have to align just right for it all to happen.

[Ashkendor]

The ridiculously high amounts of damage that Fell Cleave has done are very limited and based on perfect conditions. Essentially the pic everyone is talking about of Fell Cleave doing 11k damage is on Ravana EX when the WAR had maim, Storm's Eye, Berserk, Internal Release, Maybe the DRG Crit+ buff, Draconian Potion of Strength HQ, and it was executed at a time when Ravana takes increased damage.

It'd be like saying that WAR needs to take an HP nerf because I saw a picture where a WAR exceeded 45k HP by getting 50% echo, using a Draconian VIT HQ potion, and using Thrill of Battle. The circumstances have to align just right for it all to happen.

I see! Thanks for the information. I'd been wondering about it so I came to the forums to look around. :3

[BadRNG]

Tank damage difference is not large at all. Theres what a 910 parse of Drk already?

I like how in your DRK math you seem to assume you have infinite MP, as if you can DA Soul Eater every time no problem.

The 910 parse was done before they fixed the DA bug as well, which is a pretty hard hit since you can no longer stack things like Carve and Split/Dark Passenger with Soul Eaters. There were WARs parsing 980 already, the difference will only increase from here.

(Note I don't really mind if WAR have the best tank dps, but let's not be disingenuous about it)

[Myhm]

Need MT with my war

[MythToken]

War is just as good and sometimes better at MT than a PLD.

PLD's are just safer in terms of progression content, that is why they will be favored by top rank guilds.
For the rest of us lowbies, every tank is viable and capable of MTing.

[Agrieus]

I'm on the iffy side on how long those parses were, honestly. It's not that I don't believe that any of the tanks are capable of hitting that high (which I KNOW that they are), it's just I doubt that they could sustain those numbers. If anything, those parses were all probably 30 seconds to a minute at the most. Unless there's a 3 minute long video of someone parsing with that amount of sustained dps, then it's all bs. Burst is fine, but sustained matters more in the long run.

[BadRNG]

I'm on the iffy side on how long those parses were, honestly. It's not that I don't believe that any of the tanks are capable of hitting that high (which I KNOW that they are), it's just I doubt that they could sustain those numbers. If anything, those parses were all probably 30 seconds to a minute at the most. Unless there's a 3 minute long video of someone parsing with that amount of sustained dps, then it's all bs. Burst is fine, but sustained matters more in the long run.

Like this? You could argue it's closer to 950 sustained since that was closer to what he was averaging before ending the video with a berserk, but that doesn't really change much.

There are several videos of DRK in that 910 range but I'm not going to bother searching for them because as I said, with the DA nerf they shouldn't be applicable anymore.