DRK at 60?

[Maliki_Ozari]

Thanks everyone for the quick replies!

I'm glad to hear it sounds like it's the drk's I'm getting are still learning their rotations, which is fine by me, we all need to learn! I'm just getting bad luck it seems, as I haven't had single drk at 60 that doesn't give me panic attacks lol. My last party I have no clue what happen to the drk (which is why I made the thread), he pulled the first room in FC, I put SS down over him asap, then spamming lustrates he still just dropped faster than I could push out heals.

[Ryamatsu]

Thanks everyone for the quick replies!

I'm glad to hear it sounds like it's the drk's I'm getting are still learning their rotations, which is fine by me, we all need to learn! I'm just getting bad luck it seems, as I haven't had single drk at 60 that doesn't give me panic attacks lol. My last party I have no clue what happen to the drk (which is why I made the thread), he pulled the first room in FC, I put SS down over him asap, them spamming lustrates he still just dropped faster than I could push out heals.

Yeah, I had a DRK just flat out die instantly on a trash pull. I didn't have time to even target him. I don't even have time to cast REGEN most of the time, because if I do that he will probably die.

Being a WHM another problem I have is on boss fights I'm running dangerously low on MP because the DRK is a sponge. Thankfully I've had bards with me. <3 you bards!

[EdwinLi]

Dark Knight seems more of a Damage orianted Tank compared to PLD and WAR.

Thier mechanic heavily depends on Darkside which reduce their damage loss to 5% which allows them to perform more damage than PLD and WAR when it comes to tanking.

Not to mention their Main Tank buff is Dark Dance which is on a 60 second cooldown and provides 30% increase in parry with the addition of 20% increase chance of dodge with Dark Arts.

DRK appears more designed to be a Off-tank than Warrior was but darn can it keep aggro a bit better due to having higher Damage rate than PLD and WAR.

[Ditto]

Dark Knight seems more of a Damage orianted Tank compared to PLD and WAR.

Thier mechanic heavily depends on Darkside which reduce their damage loss to 5% which allows them to perform more damage than PLD and WAR when it comes to tanking.

Not to mention their Main Tank buff is Dark Dance which is on a 60 second cooldown and provides 30% increase in parry with the addition of 20% increase chance of dodge with Dark Arts.

DRK appears more designed to be a Off-tank than Warrior was but darn can it keep aggro a bit better due to having higher Damage rate than PLD and WAR.

Except Wars currently blow Drk out of the water when it comes to OT, and in damage.

They sure as hell do not do more damage than a War, and Pld comes incredibly close in terms of damage, to the point where that isn't a strength to Drk's.

And no, Dark Dance is not their Main Tank buff, it's a trash mob buff because that is all it's useful for. You're not dodging anything that matters in places like Ravana EX, nor is a 30% extra chance to mitigate 20% damage going to do anything for you. It just doesn't happen with that buff.

[BlueThunder]

snip.

Agressive tank? Yes. Dealing more damage than a Warrior in both MTing or OTing situations? Hell no, not by a long shot.

Also, Darkside's damage buff with Grit toggled on equals to a total of 8% damage loss, not 5%. Don't add or take % with %.

As MTing, you cannot burn your MP with Dark Arts skills because you may run out of MP easily when you need a buffed (still pathetic) Dark Dance or "reasonable" Dark Mind protection. Not to mention Darkside keeps draining your MP and your only MP recovery is Syphon Strike on Bosses (Blood Price support is small, it's something, and it helps, but small nontheless).

As an OT, you will burn through your TP rather quickly, at about 3 mins you're already dry.

In both scenarios were a DRK and a WAR are performing the same thing, WAR will come on top and still has mitigation that rivals or is superior to DRKs.

[Lee-Akira]

Agressive tank? Yes. Dealing more damage than a Warrior in both MTing or OTing situations? Hell no, not by a long shot.

Also, Darkside's damage buff with Grit toggled on equals to a total of 8% damage loss, not 5%. Don't add or take % with %.

As MTing, you cannot burn your MP with Dark Arts skills because you may run out of MP easily when you need a buffed (still pathetic) Dark Dance or "reasonable" Dark Mind protection. Not to mention Darkside keeps draining your MP and your only MP recovery is Syphon Strike on Bosses (Blood Price support is small, it's something, and it helps, but small nontheless).

As an OT, you will burn through your TP rather quickly, at about 3 mins you're already dry.

In both scenarios were a DRK and a WAR are performing the same thing, WAR will come on top and still has mitigation that rivals or is superior to DRKs.

You also get a CD skill at level 60 that gives you a good chunk of MP.

[BlueThunder]

You also get a CD skill at level 60 that gives you a good chunk of MP.

Same "chunk" as Syphon Strike, not worth not doing 350 more potency with it under Dark Arts, so no, we don't get MP back from Carve and Spit.

[Lee-Akira]

Same "chunk" as Syphon Strike, not worth not doing 350 more potency with it under Dark Arts, so no, we don't get MP back from Carve and Spit.

Do you even read? I said is a good CD to get MP, I never said to use dark arts then Carve and spit.

[EdwinLi]

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That is why players must manage their MP as a DRK.

If a player know how to properly manage MP then they can easily keep their MP pool above 50% for the entire dungeon while also being able to use Dark Arts on buffing the proper skills like Dark Dance.

Right now most people have yet to handle DRK MP management demand but once a player does it can easily prevent a DRK from depleating their MP and TP.

Blood Price is also a very good MP regen for DRK. Properly used it can keep a DRK MP from falling below 50% even on Boss fights.

[Ditto]

That is why players must manage their MP as a DRK.

If a player know how to properly manage MP then they can easily keep their MP pool above 50% for the entire dungeon while also being able to use Dark Arts on buffing the proper skills like Dark Dance.

Right now most people have yet to handle DRK MP management demand but once a player does it can easily prevent a DRK from depleating their MP and TP.

"dungeon" is the key word there though.

Things change quite a bit when you're not in dungeons where you get hit by 3+ mobs at once constantly. Blood Price works wonders in dungeons.