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[AkayoAkayu]

I dont see how wanting stuff from XI that FF fans liked is any different and why it seems to be frowned upon as opposed to ppl wanting more quests, faster leveling, novelty mounts, and an overall more casual experience, which are all aspects from other games. Why is it bad to want things from a previous game in the same series that worked? (i realize XI had an AH, the AH discussion is for a different forum)

It's ok for stuff like Call of Duty to be nothing but reskins of previous versions but me wanting just some of the gameplay mechanics of a previous game is bad? The only things ppl really ask for from previous FF games are equal amounts of things to do as you are lvling compared to endgame things (it's about the journey as much as the destination); and simple changes that dont effect any real gameplay, such as party search and some UI changes, the significant aspects of the game are more than open to change for the traditional fan (thus we still have Market Wards rather than the run-of-the-mill AH).

The same things ppl are saying about "you want another FFXI" can be said about ppl wanting such things as an AH, chocobos in town, more quest-based leveling, and shorter leveling requirements. It's the same thing for me to say "you just want another World of Warcraft". The changes are just as significant in the overall aspect of the game, not very. The only argument I really have is that the ones who are criticized as "wanting XI-2" are usually asking for things that are common in FF games and the opposition is asking for things that are popular in other series.

[Aenarion]

I dont see how wanting stuff from XI that FF fans liked is any different and why it seems to be frowned upon as opposed to ppl wanting more quests, faster leveling, novelty mounts, and an overall more casual experience, which are all aspects from other games. Why is it bad to want things from a previous game in the same series that worked? (i realize XI had an AH, the AH discussion is for a different forum)

it's not, and ultimately it's no more and no less valid as those who don't want to see another FF11. But like everything else on the internet, people can't see past their own opinion and starts to sling mud at each other.

Also, you have to realize that this game was never designed to be FF11-2, which makes you the one who wants to change things to be like 11, and obviously those who disagree will resist.

[AkayoAkayu]

I dont want it to be like xi necessarily, just final fantasy. Really as long as story is the driving force(obviously later on) ill be happy. But i would say that stuff such as the xi pt search, for example, should be implemented. Its a great feature in itself, not just because its from xi. It really only remains relevant as long as pts are preferred while leveling up, random groups arent exactly relevant when we get large-scale endgame, thatl be LS stuff. And as seen in games such as (but not limited to) WoW, parties are nearly nonexistant while leveling up via quests. I like how theyre making it so caual players can use leves to lvl at a reasonable pace but the ppl with more time to invest have a incentive to form parties and lvl the old fashioned way, its a very good strategy and i hope they continue in that direction. XI didnt have that flexibility and its more than welcome here, its a great middleground to the 2 main lvling styles ppl employ.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

i would say that stuff such as the xi pt search, for example, should be implemented. Its a great feature in itself, not just because its from xi. It really only remains relevant as long as pts are preferred while leveling up, random groups arent exactly relevant when we get large-scale endgame, thatl be LS stuff.

Yes, this is absolutely correct. As far as party recruitment goes, it isn't exactly something that is a subjective thing. Party search wasn't a contributing factor of the emotional connection people had with the game. It is needed regardless of if FFXI existed or not.

[Anapingofness]

I dont want it to be like xi necessarily, just final fantasy. Really as long as story is the driving force(obviously later on) ill be happy. But i would say that stuff such as the xi pt search, for example, should be implemented. Its a great feature in itself, not just because its from xi. It really only remains relevant as long as pts are preferred while leveling up, random groups arent exactly relevant when we get large-scale endgame, thatl be LS stuff. And as seen in games such as (but not limited to) WoW, parties are nearly nonexistant while leveling up via quests. I like how theyre making it so caual players can use leves to lvl at a reasonable pace but the ppl with more time to invest have a incentive to form parties and lvl the old fashioned way, its a very good strategy and i hope they continue in that direction. XI didnt have that flexibility and its more than welcome here, its a great middleground to the 2 main lvling styles ppl employ.

You are not wrong in your previous post- the one where you asked if it was wrong to want stuff from FFXI, however I think the things you wanted to express were clearly lost in translation (if you will).

No, you're not wrong because I too want certain things to be taken from FFXI and implemented to FFXIV, however, I want those things to be a starting point. Take for example the AH.

FFXI's AH was good, now for FFXIV they should make it even better.

The current system is very flawed. The reason players wanted an AH over the Wards is because searching for items via Wards is still a huge pain in the behind. If I'm looking for an item I want to be able to find it in a matter of seconds, not spend god knows how long searching for it. As of right now they're (the Wards) are not as bad as they were when the game first launched but I'd like a proper system put in place. If I'm searching the Wards for whatever item I want/need then I'm not really playing the game. Am I?

Secondly, I agree. What made FF well FF is the storyline. FFXI had an amazing storyline in each of its expansions. I want that same level of commitment and depth in this game as well, not a rehash of those stories (for example). Also I want a good community. In my opinion FFXI had a great community. FFXIV needs to follow that example and set out to make an even better community of players.

I've stuck with FFXI through thick and thin and there are things that didn't work out (such as their HNM camping for endgame). It is things like that that most players, especially the ones who have played FFXI (and still continue to play) want to avoid.

I'm sticking with FFXIV because I want to believe that they can make something great with it. I think they've done a good job so far and I know they're working hard on improving it. However, as I've mentioned before, things will take time and we're really beta testers now.

In any case, I do value your opinion and I'm glad that you took the time to let all of us know (including devs) how you feel. However, I do urge you to really consider the things you're saying. FFXI means a lot to me and sometimes it is hard not to look at it through rose colored glasses but in order to give this game the attention that it deserves, one needs to.

=D

p.s. I think you're really saying what a lot of us have already said, I just think it may have come out wrong or interpreted wrong.

[AkayoAkayu]

I usually do come across wrong since im not used to talkin very much

I do think the wards should be given real attention and effort for improvements before (if) they make the decision to scrap it. In its current state the wards arent really that different from a traditional AH. The only difference is u have to get your item from a specific npc, maybe a 30 sec difference from buying directly. Finding items is just as easy as an AH. I would say the wards might even be better than an AH (at least xi's) because you can put up to 20 things for sale at once, unless u buy a 3rd retainer (not sure if available yet) as opposed to the max of 7 in XI.

I dont mean to keep comparing, it's just a good reference.

[odette]

sorry but ffxi is not all saga of ff
real final fantasy is ff6 ok

[LemmingKingXXX]

sorry but ffxi is not all saga of ff
real final fantasy is ff6 ok

don't start that, this is a forum for one final fantasy and one only, that is a debate best left to elsewhere on the internet

[Bled]

don't start that, this is a forum for one final fantasy and one only, that is a debate best left to elsewhere on the internet

FF6 was damn good though