Stop complaining and learn to play

[Felessan]

This is for all the people complaining about the BRD's Minuet. I have played with BRD using Minuet, and I can assure you that the DPS is really high. Maybe the people that is complaining should learn to play

I really wish that people that claims that Bard dps "are really high" and advising "learn to play" include actual numbers so people can see for themselves - is it really good or not.
I am not even asking about rotations, I just want to know what exactly people are talking about.

When you compare 800 dps bard with 300 dps df ninja it really is "really high dps". But when you compare the same bard with 1100-1200 dps nin/mnk/drg the flaw of the class became obvious.

[LaylaTsarra]

Personally I've dropped Minuet for the most part and will simply continue to dps as I did before. Nothing gained really with this addition for me because I'm electing not to use the new skills. I'm not really liking the casting style much and I do that more than enough with my blm. I'm still having fun with my bard in spite of it (just hit 60 as a second class) but am certainly not pleased with what they've elected to do.

[Felis]

Imagine this then:

Let's give Monk more damage, but instead of them making use their fists, let's make them a ranged job throwing energy punches only!

This could help monks to keep their buff up.
But giving MNk their Chakram (a throw weapon for PGL/MNK during 1.0) back would be good enough

[Miscreant]

With a level 50 Bard and furthest raid progress being T5 the OP definitely has the credentials to advise on this subject...

[LittleArrow]

Right.. b/c both the entire Japanese community that is in an uproar over this PLUS the Eng community are all wrong.

It's the same story for MCHs. Apparently there are a select few that have the keys to the class, but refuse to post evidence of it including rotations for us to test. Because... bad players?

[Snugglebutt]

If the OP is going take the stance that all of us bards complaining not just on these forums but the Japanese forums too are wrong then he better back up his post with evidence, parser proof and rotations given else he can go troll somewhere else.

Both bards and especially machinists need improving and fixing. In comparison to most other DPS classes and even tank and healers of equal gear ilevel are way out DPSing too often these classes, to such an extent bards and machinists are quite often excluded and kicked from groups just because of their class so there is a serious problem.

Many threads went into a lot of details about the problems, SE needs to look at those and keep reading them, taking on board what is being said and fix them. It's easy to say you grouped with an ilvl 170-180 bard while you are say ilvl 120-140 and see they might do more then you but in like for like ilvl against other classes, both bard and machinist DPS due to bad skill design and WD is a serious problem.

[Kayote]

This is for all the people complaining about the BRD's Minuet. I have played with BRD using Minuet, and I can assure you that the DPS is really high. Maybe the people that is complaining should learn to play

While I dont think WM is nearly as bad as some make it out to be (its mostly just whining about having to cast now) it really doesnt seem to help. It needs work. Damage should go up, and we should be able to queue our shots. I dont care what the greedy casters say, its a PvE game, and in PvE, DPS should be comparable among all DPS classes while dealing damage.

As for your OP .... hmm, what do you think Tataru?

... yeah my thoughts exactly.

[YGSLlew]

TBH learn to play applies to those BRDs who see significant increase in their parses in actual battle when having WM perm on.

Because they fucked up their 2.0 bard so bad that WM became an improvement in battle.

so much THIS

[Wavaryen]

Well looks like they are looking into brds and know about the issues with it. ^_^

[Yoruichi4478]

This is for all the people complaining about the BRD's Minuet. I have played with BRD using Minuet, and I can assure you that the DPS is really high. Maybe the people that is complaining should learn to play

Maybe the mobility that we enjoyed prior to HW is beyond your comprehension now that you have positionals as ninja perhaps you should learn how to replay your "main"? Those of us with an issue with Minuet have valid reasons primarily because we picked a job that had a playstyle that appealed to us for ranged dps.