Stop complaining and learn to play

[Bhuni]

Even more reason why OP shouldn't even be starting flamebait threads like this if he/she ain't main-ing or even playing a BRD.

Such terrible logic, as there's no such thing as parsers am I right?

[Evangela]

stop complaining about people complaining and learn freedom of speech.

[nekuxdesu]

f it takes some super expert player to get the most out of bard. That is bad game design in itself. If most players have to "l2p" a class and stay super focus just to try to come close to other dps. It is flawed design.

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So you're saying that if i play infinitely better than someone else, I shouldn't do more dps? Rewarding skill is now "flawed design"?
Are sports flawed because someone practices and is VASTLY better than someone new to them?
Is cooking flawed because someone who has been doing it for dozens of years is better at it than a baby?

Come on man, all of your brd babbies cant be this silly...right?

[meldon90]

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Okay I'm back
no wait give me another moment

So you're saying that if i play infinitely better than someone else, I shouldn't do more dps? Rewarding skill is now "flawed design"?
Are sports flawed because someone practices and is VASTLY better than someone new to them?
Is cooking flawed because someone who has been doing it for dozens of years is better at it than a baby?

Come on man, all of your brd babbies cant be this silly...right?

That is clearly an headshot.

[Vespar]

Actually its not. Your taking a very confrontational view towards what that person was trying to get across to you.
I will not try to sway your opinions one way or the other because no matter what we say, you will come back with yet another argument that has little to no bearing to the issue we are conveying to SE anyways.

[FateAudax]

This thread is a congregation of high and mighty players who is here to defend their throne from any chance of BRD/MCH buff.
Basically, it is filled with salty tears and if you listen carefully, you could hear moans of "My class is high and mighty because it's melee/caster/healer." while they gently stroke their e-peen.

Just look that those who are asking us to L2P, play a melee, WM is a buff, WM is fine, and etc. Their main class ain't even a BRD/MCH.
As for those BRD/MCH who says WM is a huge astronomical buff and it's a 100% welcomed change, you should be learning to play. This will be my last reply here. Don't get butthurt ya'll

[Wavaryen]

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Since it seems you have a hard time understanding how games should work. Let me help you out. I can't stand to see such warped and closed minded logic. Anyone who agrees with you also. I will teach you something.
All classes at its core should be easy to use but hard to master. A MMO takes all player types and all skill types. People who want to master a class and do better more power to them and IT SHOULD show if they do that.

However, that gap should not be so huge that other players feel that person is a waste of slot, or they get hate because they slow down dungeon runs due to class balance issues. If a class play style is fun, and not tedious with skill bloat. People would want to improve in a more natural way. Changing a class play style is one thing, but making it so "hard" that players have to focus and play super elite just to do acceptable dps is wrong from a game design point. So stop acting like you are some better player just because you don't agree. Calling people bad makes you look foolish.

[Mirakell]

Not all of us are complaining about WM because it changes our playstyle (though it is annoying) but because it gives us so little in return - and even less so when we're actually doing what we're built for - i.e singing to support our party members.

We're not asking to be top dps - we never where but we are asking for the ability to be an asset for the group instead of a bother that's taking up a 'space' for 'better' dps. And yes I am only lv55 but I've played bard a long time and spoken to many bards who have reached lv60 and now swapping to different classes because of this >.>

[Kat_Manx]

Ugh. Why is it so hard for people to get it?

First of all for some reason you all seem to think Bard was "easy" or something. Well why didn't you all play Bard then? /shrugs. I didn't pick Bard because of "easy" or because of damage, I played it because I liked how it worked.

Imagine this then:

Let's give Monk more damage, but instead of them making use their fists, let's make them a ranged job throwing energy punches only!
Let's give Ninja more damage, but make their weapons a great sword instead!
Let's improve White Mage healing, but instead of using white magic, they will now heal by throwing bandages at their party members!
Let's make Paladins better tanks, but instead of using shields, they will now guard themselves with a bar of soap!

There, I just made your jobs better on paper. It doesn't matter if I changed the original way it was played or general aesthetics, RIGHT?!

[Wavaryen]

Well now that all the childish calling people bad, and hate talk has been defeated with logic. Time for me to take a long rest. Take care all.