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  1. #11
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Teladi Bishop
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Nothing wrong with wanting a easier class to play. All the new skills and bloat just made a lot of the class tedious. And this new skill changes the fun of what a bard was.

    Tedious does not always means harder.
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    Last edited by Wavaryen; 06-30-2015 at 06:15 PM.

  2. #12
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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Jenova
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    Machinist Lv 80
    I'm not saying that the OP is just completely wrong. But I make the counter argument that many of us already DID know how to play. . . then this. It also goes deeper than that, honestly, and I wholeheartedly invite you to take a look here at some of the points made.

    I make no demands for rotations or proof, and I agree some people really DO need to learn how to play their job better. But "learn to play" is simply too flat a statement to make.
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  3. #13
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 90
    TBH learn to play applies to those BRDs who see significant increase in their parses in actual battle when having WM perm on.

    Because they fucked up their 2.0 bard so bad that WM became an improvement in battle.
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  4. #14
    Player Bhuni's Avatar
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    Hugo Fact
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Raiker View Post
    Your bard is only level 50. Trolls be trollin'!
    I'm pretty sure OP meant he played WITH a bard not AS.
    Perhaps you should read carefully before hitting that T button.
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  5. #15
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    Leyna Crosse
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    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Delroy7 View Post
    Yes that is the Point! No more Faceroll about positions, no more Green Arrow or Legolas style, and more Hank the mofo Archer that stands around style!
    No its not the point, while I liked my mobility, Im not hardpressed to go without it. However, It does concern me when my mobility is taken away in favor of boosting my dmg, but that dmg actually works out to be LESS than the dmg I could have had on vanilla bard REGARDLESS of movement. and THAT is the point of these bard or riot threads.
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    Last edited by Vespar; 06-30-2015 at 06:21 PM. Reason: spelling

  6. #16
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    Anselme Kertesz
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    Ragnarok
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Op is an obvious troll but I'd agree with him on one point. Stop Complaining. There's tens of threads everywhere about about how Square destroyed bards, how Minuet is crap and all of that. And it's so hard to find serious theorycrafting threads about the current state of bards playstyle. Don't ask him to post his parse or rotation, post yours. That'd be more productive.
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  7. #17
    Player FateAudax's Avatar
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    Empyreal Fate
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bhuni View Post
    I'm pretty sure OP meant he played WITH a bard not AS.
    Perhaps you should read carefully before hitting that T button.
    Even more reason why OP shouldn't even be starting flamebait threads like this if he/she ain't main-ing or even playing a BRD.
    (2)

  8. #18
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    Kojima Sama
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    OP,
    Obviously with the sheer amount of bards taking to the forums to discuss this in not just NA, but other regions as well, we have a valid complaint as Bards, and I think we deserve to be heard on the issue just like any other class that felt they deserved to have their concerns heard.
    If you don't play bard then I implore you to disregard our griping but please let us be so we can get some acknowledgement from SE on the issue.
    Did you literally just say that your complaint is valid because a lot of people share it? Come on you can do better than that
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  9. #19
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    Leyna Crosse
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    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by nekuxdesu View Post
    Did you literally just say that your complaint is valid because a lot of people share it? Come on you can do better than that
    I have posted my VALID points in another thread and I care not to repeat myself. The fact that I echo the statements of other bards is relevant because it shows that not just one or two bards have an issue with WM, but the community of Bards as a collective and thereby it serves as merit to our concerns.

    If you care to read the VALID points of myself and other bards you may find them in the "Buff Bards or Riot" thread.
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  10. #20
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Teladi Bishop
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by nekuxdesu View Post
    Did you literally just say that your complaint is valid because a lot of people share it? Come on you can do better than that
    We don't really have to do better? No one has a right to tell a person what is fun to them. If bards was doing amazing dps that groups would notice that is one thing, but if it takes some super expert player to get the most out of bard. That is bad game design in itself. If most players have to "l2p" a class and stay super focus just to try to come close to other dps. It is flawed design.

    Truth is, the class lost a lot and gained very little.
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