Stop complaining and learn to play

[Anselme]

Op is an obvious troll but I'd agree with him on one point. Stop Complaining. There's tens of threads everywhere about about how Square destroyed bards, how Minuet is crap and all of that. And it's so hard to find serious theorycrafting threads about the current state of bards playstyle. Don't ask him to post his parse or rotation, post yours. That'd be more productive.

[Yoruichi4478]

Op is an obvious troll but I'd agree with him on one point. Stop Complaining. There's tens of threads everywhere about about how Square destroyed bards, how Minuet is crap and all of that. And it's so hard to find serious theorycrafting threads about the current state of bards playstyle. Don't ask him to post his parse or rotation, post yours. That'd be more productive.

It is crap til they buff it and take away the cast time and make it like Cleric's and stop forcing us to be mages.

[Evangela]

stop complaining about people complaining and learn freedom of speech.

[Vespar]

Actually its not. Your taking a very confrontational view towards what that person was trying to get across to you.
I will not try to sway your opinions one way or the other because no matter what we say, you will come back with yet another argument that has little to no bearing to the issue we are conveying to SE anyways.

[FateAudax]

This thread is a congregation of high and mighty players who is here to defend their throne from any chance of BRD/MCH buff.
Basically, it is filled with salty tears and if you listen carefully, you could hear moans of "My class is high and mighty because it's melee/caster/healer." while they gently stroke their e-peen.

Just look that those who are asking us to L2P, play a melee, WM is a buff, WM is fine, and etc. Their main class ain't even a BRD/MCH.
As for those BRD/MCH who says WM is a huge astronomical buff and it's a 100% welcomed change, you should be learning to play. This will be my last reply here. Don't get butthurt ya'll

[Mirakell]

Not all of us are complaining about WM because it changes our playstyle (though it is annoying) but because it gives us so little in return - and even less so when we're actually doing what we're built for - i.e singing to support our party members.

We're not asking to be top dps - we never where but we are asking for the ability to be an asset for the group instead of a bother that's taking up a 'space' for 'better' dps. And yes I am only lv55 but I've played bard a long time and spoken to many bards who have reached lv60 and now swapping to different classes because of this >.>

[Kat_Manx]

Ugh. Why is it so hard for people to get it?

First of all for some reason you all seem to think Bard was "easy" or something. Well why didn't you all play Bard then? /shrugs. I didn't pick Bard because of "easy" or because of damage, I played it because I liked how it worked.

Imagine this then:

Let's give Monk more damage, but instead of them making use their fists, let's make them a ranged job throwing energy punches only!
Let's give Ninja more damage, but make their weapons a great sword instead!
Let's improve White Mage healing, but instead of using white magic, they will now heal by throwing bandages at their party members!
Let's make Paladins better tanks, but instead of using shields, they will now guard themselves with a bar of soap!

There, I just made your jobs better on paper. It doesn't matter if I changed the original way it was played or general aesthetics, RIGHT?!

[Felis]

Imagine this then:

Let's give Monk more damage, but instead of them making use their fists, let's make them a ranged job throwing energy punches only!

This could help monks to keep their buff up.
But giving MNk their Chakram (a throw weapon for PGL/MNK during 1.0) back would be good enough

[Wavaryen]

Well now that all the childish calling people bad, and hate talk has been defeated with logic. Time for me to take a long rest. Take care all.

[Felessan]

This is for all the people complaining about the BRD's Minuet. I have played with BRD using Minuet, and I can assure you that the DPS is really high. Maybe the people that is complaining should learn to play

I really wish that people that claims that Bard dps "are really high" and advising "learn to play" include actual numbers so people can see for themselves - is it really good or not.
I am not even asking about rotations, I just want to know what exactly people are talking about.

When you compare 800 dps bard with 300 dps df ninja it really is "really high dps". But when you compare the same bard with 1100-1200 dps nin/mnk/drg the flaw of the class became obvious.