Please, Developers, Please! Put an end to Easy Mode thinking

[AmyRae]

I know personally i never said a grind was difficult, however grind is just a derogatory term coined up to counter the word progress. I find the whole "PWEASE PWEASE SE I DONT WANT PROGRESSION, I JUST WANT IT ALL NOWZZZ!!!!" to be ignorant and a lazy mentality.

Who is saying they want it all now?

What casual players want are some goals that can be achieved with a few hours of playtime a week. It's not instant gratification they want at all, just a significant experience that doesn't take up 40 hours a week like it was a second job.

Grinding is not a derogatory term. A game series like Disgaea prides itself on grinding. But at least they make the game accessible to those who don't want to achieve level 9999. It shouldn't be impossible for FFXIV to mix casual and hardcore content either.

The very best of what the materia system offers is hardcore content. Casual players just don't have the time to get anything better than the basics, unless by some miracle, hardcore players can make the good stuff affordable. There's an example of where a grind will make those with plenty of time to waste push further ahead than those who can't.

Getting a chocobo to raise doesn't require a grind; it's a transportation feature that should be reasonably accessible to the masses. It's silly to insist on it being hardcore. It didn't even require a grind in grind-happy FFXI. It's just a ridiculous demand that's out-of-place with the times.

[Bled]

Who is saying they want it all now?

What casual players want are some goals that can be achieved with a few hours of playtime a week. It's not instant gratification they want at all, just a significant experience that doesn't take up 40 hours a week like it was a second job.

Grinding is not a derogatory term. A game series like Disgaea prides itself on grinding. But at least they make the game accessible to those who don't want to achieve level 9999. It shouldn't be impossible for FFXIV to mix casual and hardcore content either.

The very best of what the materia system offers is hardcore content. Casual players just don't have the time to get anything better than the basics, unless by some miracle, hardcore players can make the good stuff affordable. There's an example of where a grind will make those with plenty of time to waste push further ahead than those who can't.

Getting a chocobo to raise doesn't require a grind; it's a transportation feature that should be reasonably accessible to the masses. It's silly to insist on it being hardcore. It didn't even require a grind in grind-happy FFXI. It's just a ridiculous demand that's out-of-place with the times.

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

Above is the definition of a grind and it has heavy derogatory overtones.

I get it casuals want to experience all the same content and achieve all the same goals, but lets face it guys weather you have time for a game or not should not reflect on the games development. I feel for the casual crowd having 40 hour jobs (like my self) and a life outside of video games is vary time consuming however just because you can only devout 10 hours a week should not mean that the game itself is ridiculously easy. A job is a paid position of regular employment which i know for a fact that a majority of you dont get payed to play video games so lets drop the "o my god this game takes time it must be a job"... A real job actually involves physical/mental work.

Disgaea does in fact pride itself on grinding yet that does not make the term any less derogatory, Disgaea if you have ever played it is a very humors title with an even more humors development team. When the developers of Disgaea made statements of the grind in their game it was for a lack of a better word, wrapped in humors satire.

time invested = reward if you don't invest the time =/= reward.

I agree the Chocobo achievement quest should not be a accumulate x amount of this seal and turn in, that's what ultimately lead to WoW's demise. Personally i would have liked to seen a deep story driven quest, with multiple layers for the chocobo license.

[darkstarpoet1]

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

Above is the definition of a grind and it has heavy derogatory overtones.

no, it is the truth. pulling the same mob over and over to kill it for hours on end is exactly that. standard bashing crafts for days on end making the same item is exactly that. they are both repetitive and non entertaining, but the only reason you do them is to gain sp/exp to gain ranks so you can do other things. they completely fit the definition you gave and it matches them both perfectly.

[Bled]

no, it is the truth. pulling the same mob over and over to kill it for hours on end is exactly that. standard bashing crafts for days on end making the same item is exactly that. they are both repetitive and non entertaining, but the only reason you do them is to gain sp/exp to gain ranks so you can do other things. they completely fit the definition you gave and it matches them both perfectly.

Welcome to MMO's if you don't like that PORTION of the game which resembles growth and progression, then your in the wrong genre. When you take out levels (leveling), skill, mobs, sp, exp, fighting, group fighting, what have you, well... you pretty much end up with a book (which is fine just not the reason i play games).

If something is difficult it takes invested time to reap the benefits.

If i had a super challenging fight yet i beat it on the first try, is that really truly difficult? Difficult is characterized as causing hardship or problems any content you can blow through with no problems makes things less difficult in my eyes.

[darkstarpoet1]

Welcome to MMO's if you don't like that PORTION of the game which resembles growth and progression, then your in the wrong genre. When you take out levels (leveling), skill, mobs, sp, exp, fighting, group fighting, what have you, well... you pretty much end up with a book (which is fine just not the reason i play games).

If something is difficult it takes invested time to reap the benefits.

If i had a super challenging fight yet i beat it on the first try, is that really truly difficult? Difficult is characterized as causing hardship or problems any content you can blow through with no problems makes things less difficult in my eyes.

how am i in the wrong genre? all i did was point out you made a completely false statement by saying someone is trying to cast an insult by using the word grind. i have no problems with grinding, but i also don't look at it as a bad thing. grinding is doing something over and over to get higher ranks and there is nothing wrong with it, but you acted like that word was some kind of profanity laced insult.

grinding is exactly what it is. it is grinding through the repetitive and boring aspect to gain access to other pieces of content and it is in most every rpg and mmo on the market. it is not a bad thing.

you showed a definition and stated it was insulting and all i did was point out that they were exactly what the definition implied it was. it is not a bad thing for something to be a grind so don't take saying it is a grind as some kind of personal attack.

[Bled]

how am i in the wrong genre? all i did was point out you made a completely false statement by saying someone is trying to cast an insult by using the word grind. i have no problems with grinding, but i also don't look at it as a bad thing. grinding is doing something over and over to get higher ranks and there is nothing wrong with it, but you acted like that word was some kind of profanity laced insult.

grinding is exactly what it is. it is grinding through the repetitive and boring aspect to gain access to other pieces of content and it is in most every rpg and mmo on the market. it is not a bad thing.

you showed a definition and stated it was insulting and all i did was point out that they were exactly what the definition implied it was. it is not a bad thing for something to be a grind so don't take saying it is a grind as some kind of personal attack.

If you enjoy it then why to you categorize it as non-entertaining... I like progressing my character so as a result i like growing levels by defeating mobs. and every aspect of the game has repetitive natures yet we avoid from calling them grinds why? because we actually enjoy them?

i stated that the term was derogatory not some insult, the term is disparaging and it dosent have to be if you don't label it as such..

[weeble]

If you enjoy it then why to you categorize it as non-entertaining... I like progressing my character so as a result i like growing levels by defeating mobs. and every aspect of the game has repetitive natures yet we avoid from calling them grinds why? because we actually enjoy them?

grind can be very entertaining if done correctly. take weapons in moon(they were magic type) they took alot of work to do, pulling for brd was lots of fun for me even though repetitive. imps, specially at the lowest levels, any mob that needed debuffs and dispells, mages had a lot of work and grinds were very fun. thf? specially garleigh and lowbie levels, lining up and everything, fun fun fun all day. add something for every class to stay on top of an not be half afk eating chips and watching tv while do it and then it not boring.

gear itself the longer it takes to get the more happier u will be when it drops. the reality is weather u want a challenge or not, you are basically looking for a offline game. those take a week or month to beat no matter how hard, it's the grinds that keep you playing for years, it's progression, it's hard to get gear and weapons. or you move on to a new game like offliners. it will never matter how hard it is, outside of av hard, u still be done quick. and no matter how u look at it SE or any other game ain't putting out that much content.

we would have to pay like 80bucks a month for a game with enough content for everything to be without grind. aka cost of a offline game.

[AmyRae]

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

Above is the definition of a grind and it has heavy derogatory overtones.

So, how do you ask for grinding if you're embarrassed to admit that's what it is you want? And will you really be surprised when you don't get it?

[Davorok]

It's very difficult to find a Party (and manage your LS)...there's your Hardcore Content. ;>P

[Davorok]

I've got a Hardcore suggestion for you.

How about after Patch 1.21 when all the Battle Reforms, Jobs, Class Adjustments, Beastman Strongholds, Escort Quests, Grand Company Quests, Hamlet Defenses, Quest Hubs and all the various UI enhancements are all in place...you delete/wipe your character and start all over.

Then you could truly tell us if the game is Easy-Mode or not.