Please, Developers, Please! Put an end to Easy Mode thinking

[thepinksupervisor]

Okay what i said earlier kind of came off wrong but what i am trying to get at is that can't we have casual and hardcore at the same time?

@whoever wants an end to easy mode. But if everything is hardcore how are the casual people who only go on for like 30 mins -1 hour accomplish anything?

[AmyRae]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you aren't a professional video game industry analyst, and if you are then I am truly sorry for you and your unfortunate choice of career. I don't think they need to make the game WoW-casual exclusive in order to have enough money to develop a game I would enjoy.

Not to mention if they don't develop content that I can enjoy=I'm not playing it=I don't care.

If they exclusively develop content you enjoy, you won't be playing that either, simply because there's not enough people like that around to support the game.

Hardcore players are a dying breed. The people who used to play hardcore have (mostly) grown up and now have jobs, kids, and/or sex to worry about, not logging in 3 a.m. every night for a few hours for a chance to slay a rare monster. And kids have grown up with casual games like WoW and simply can't be convinced to take a step back from that.

You're going to have accept that at best hardcore players will have to co-exist with casual ones and not everything is going to be as hard as you like it to be. There's just no market for big name hardcore MMOs anymore. The mainstream wants casual play.

[Murugan]

Okay what i said earlier kind of came off wrong but what i am trying to get at is that can't we have casual and hardcore at the same time?

@whoever wants an end to easy mode. But if everything is hardcore how are the casual people who only go on for like 30 mins -1 hour accomplish anything?

We can have both sure and that is what the team is trying to do. However most Casuals see "casual content" as being devoid of all challenge/effort and that kind mentality simply cannot exist in a game that will be enjoyable to people who do not play MMO's as merely distractions from their dreary lives.

There should be stuff in the game that takes more than hour, but there can be plenty of stuff which can be done in only a short time. The thing is that a player shouldn't be able to experience everything in 30 minutes to an hour. If a player can log in get a personal chocobo, gain 5 levels, and get some of the best rewards in the game by doing little more than walking into a dungeon in that one hour. Well yeah that is going to make a pretty lousy MMO. Of course the people who are demanding that kind of a scenario are still better than those casuals who would simply like all of it to be simply bought in a cash shop.

[Synapse]

I just been seeing Contents being added only to end a week later. I'm not sure what 'breed' of gamers enjoy things ending in 1 week and adding a copy paste of the same content as a new content with small adjustment. If these keep the new 'breed' interested i have a lot of business idea.

I think i will still give this game another 8-9months, same time it took FFXI to get better. If it doesn't change ill just stand aside, look for challenging things and let the new 'breed' entertain themselves.

[AmyRae]

I'm sorry your life is so hard. How do you manage to do all of those things which all human beings have done for thousands of years and still have a hobby?!

I am also sorry that you apparently wasted your youth playing an MMO nonstop and missing out on everything else life has to offer and are now bitter.

If you want to just "tune out" maybe you should try becoming addicted to drugs. Why demand massive game worlds be developed and then emptied of all substance just so you have an effortless "escape" from your wonderful terrible life.

What is this I don't even

[Nikita]

Lol ummm, they have been adding in casual-friendly content for a year now. If you don't like it, why are you even posting here after all of this time? That's like... touching a stove that is turned on over and over, wondering why your hand is burning, and getting frustrated that it hurts.

Obviously they will be adding in more content that requires effort, but I doubt we will ever see it at the extreme level of FFXI. Right now they aren't focused on you. Their main focus is foundation work and things to do for entry level players so that when the PS3 version launches, people will actually buy it (and stick with it). Stuff for us will come eventually, and I am currently taking a break while I wait for more content to be added so I can have a little more fun leveling up. If anything, you at least have the Ifrit battle to look forward to, and Beastman Strongholds look tough, too!

[Sephrick]

I'm sorry your life is so hard. How do you manage to do all of those things which all human beings have done for thousands of years and still have a hobby?!

I am also sorry that you apparently wasted your youth playing an MMO nonstop and missing out on everything else life has to offer and are now bitter.

If you want to just "tune out" maybe you should try becoming addicted to drugs. Why demand massive game worlds be developed and then emptied of all substance just so you have an effortless "escape" from your wonderful terrible life.

The person you quoted made a valid point so you turn to vague personal insults? Always a good way to win folks over.

From the onset, XIV was intended to be a game for an audience more broad than XI.

With that in mind, SE sunk a lot of dough into development.

Look at Demon's Souls as a good example. It was designed to be a hardcore game. It's punishing, brutal and as boring as XI was after a while. But it was designed to make a profit off the kind of low sales you get from a small niche marke. When it finally hit 500k units sold well after its release, Altus was elated with the "success." But it was a hardcore game designed to profit off the kind of sales that sort of game can generate.

XIV was made to pull in a casual audience -- albeit it was rushed out the door before it was fully designed. So the original "casuals and hardcores living in harmony" concept never came to be. But just because the hardcore audience is mainly the one that currently is playing doesn't change the amount of money and man hours they've already sunk into making the game.

They need to sell more units. And to do that they need to give people a reason to invest enough time each month to keep paying.

People have netflix (qwikster). Console games with in-depth multiplayer. High level characters in other mmos. And, as AmyRae mentioned, the general activities of day to day life. SE needs to give these people a reason to spend time in Eorzea, and a brutal unrewarding time sink just won't cut it.

SE could have designed a game for what's left of a hardcore generation. But they didn't. And nothing is going to change that fact. Now they need to deliver on the promises they've made and continue to make if they ever expect to even break even on this game.

[DoctorMog]

Guys,

This is not a "TURN FFXIV HARDCORE" request.

We want SOMETHING that isn't casual. Not the whole freekin game.

Give the people that ARE hardcore a "bone" so to speak.

So stop the "Hardcore vs casual" debate. Its not the issue.

The issue is that ALL of FFXIV is casual. There is NO hardcore content for us.

[Heat]

this keep coming over and over, wont you people just go play FFXI if you want hardcore game?
they said this game will target people that dont have much time to play from the start.

[DoctorMog]

For Fks sake read my post above yours.

We don't want a hardcore game...