Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[louthelou]

I paid for the game. I paid for the expansion. I pay a monthly fee just to play the game. All that is fine. What is not fine is paying anything more than that for functionality in the game. You want to charge extra for purely cosmetic items? Fine, that's the world we live in now (game companies are greedy). However, I should NOT be made to pay an additional monthly fee for additional bank space, a core functionality of any MMO.

This is so wrong, it's really not even funny. There are other MMOs that charge for bank space, and you know what? They charge you a one-time fee for the "service". And you know what else? THEY'RE ALL FREE-TO-PLAY! And EVEN THEN, a great many of them offer in-game ways to earn the currency/services you'd otherwise purchase with real money. What, you're not making enough off your sales and 4 million subscriptions? Because by my calculations, that's well over 40 million per month, which makes this a HALF-A-BILLION-per-year game in subs alone.

Square Enix... just imagine that I am swearing and calling you very unkind and demeaning names, because that's what I really feel like doing. You can include the terms "shiesty" and "greedy" in there.

[Sigmakan]

Organize/clean-out your retainers' inventories!

[louthelou]

Whether or not my retainers are full has nothing to do with it.

[Atoli]

1. use the search function, there are only about 500 other complain threads about this

2. That's not pay2win, that's pay4comfort.
I agree that it's a total rip-off to charge extra for additional storage space especially with their system strongly encouraging players to level several classes on one character and having to deal with a shitload of gear because of that. But nothing stops you from "winning" the game with less storage space, you are in no way inferior to players who DO have extra space, so...yeah, no p2w here.

[louthelou]

1. I'm not tossing my voice into a chorus. It won't get heard that way.

2. No, it's pay-to-win. If I have to choose what I'm saving and what I'm throwing away while someone who is paying extra doesn't have to make that choice? Then later you realize, oh crap, I should have saved that, while the extra-paying person goes on to "win". Nevermind that retainers do more than just hold your stuff. Leveling crafting is much easier with a bunch of retainers gathering materials, rather than 2.

[Zorlinta]

Pay to win is like in other mmos you can buy the best equipment and buffs with money, space is just a luxury not a pay-win.

[Whiteroom]

Paying for additional storage is pay2win? Well I never...

[Etiken]

This is so far from pay to win it's not even funny.
We have access to a LOT of bag space already. Quit hoarding and utilize what you have. Extra retainers are a pure luxury. Totally not necessary.

[Hiatus]

Not sure you know what pay to win is...

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Pay to win is anything that you can spend real money on that gives you some sort of advantage. More inventory space IS an advantage. Yes, it is also a convenience, but that does not change it from being pay to win. And that ignores the other advantages that more retainers bring - more Ventures, for more stuff gathered, either targeted stuff or from some random list; and the ability to sell more stuff on the marketboard, resulting in a potentially greater inflow of gil.

Saying that retainers are not pay to win ignores the aspects that make them pay to win.

Heck, even cosmetic junk is pay to win, if you are discussing Eorzea's Next Top Model! Pay to win the fashion contest, at any rate.