DRK DPS?

[Zorthos]

Just curious to what numbers geared out DRK are currently pushing while tanking and off taking.

[Alphras]

This is the best I have found yet: https://youtu.be/39YR61lIIUU

Seems to me that the DRK is incredible TP starved.

Edit: This is without a NIN or WAR in the party btw.

[JayCommon]

Well I did a 3minute parse last night and did a consistent 700, but that was with sub-par str accs (mostly i136-142) and i180 weapon. I don't have the Hive Claymore yet. I had 820 strength. I have heard of another DRK on our server parsing in the 850 range with the Hive sword and i180 str accs.

But as Alphras sais, TP is a huge issue if a DRK is going into a raid with a PLD and is expected to DPS in off-tank stance. It's a good thing I agreed to do a 3min parse instead of the 5min one I wanted to do, because at the end of 3min I had 0 TP. Blood Weapon is a huge drain on TP and we have absolutely nothing to help gain it back. We can use magic to attack and regain our TP over time but that is a horrible DPS loss if your meant to be off-tanking and DPSing because the MP based GCD's are enmity based and don't have very high potencies.

[Zorthos]

I'm curious to what it would be like in raid. Maybe around 600-700?

[Faytte]

This is the best I have found yet: https://youtu.be/39YR61lIIUU

Seems to me that the DRK is incredible TP starved.

Edit: This is without a NIN or WAR in the party btw.

basically no different than a OT Paladin (infact, better given how many OGCD and free attacks you have).

I feel lots of DRKs are X DPS players that do not understand tp is an issue for all tanks. Wars just now got a TP refresher and one free gcd every 7-8 gcds, but paladins never have had a TP restore while OT.

[Kiteless]

Let's face it, most of the ex-DPS DRKs are probably gone right now. Most of the genuine concern I've seen is coming from career tanks who switched over. In fact, a lot of the people saying DRK is fine, I've noticed, comes from the same ex-DPS who don't really understand what it means to be a viable tank in higher end content.

[Faytte]

I dont understand though, if you are a career tank, this is nothing new to you.

Paladins have no TP management as an OT. Never had.
Warriors had none what so ever, since you had defiance off, you never had any stacks to use as an off tank.

Warriors just in Heavensward got some TP management and 'things' to do with their stance, but the other tank is just as bad off as you are. So how are you not viable? Warriors are better OTs TP wise, and you are tied with Paladins in your TP efficiency. Unlike a Paladin however, you have a many more abilities that can damage that use no tp. If you ever went OUT of tp, you could use mana abilities to keep SOME damage going (only notable since a paladin with no TP is purely auto attacking).

I don't get the issue? You cant have your cake and eat it as well! DRK have incredible aoe, very good burst capability, better sustained healing than both tanks, mobility and other advantages.

[Xenosan]

I dont understand though, if you are a career tank, this is nothing new to you.

Pretty much this^

With the PLD/WAR changes for TP it would nice for DRK to have one, but I don't feel like it's an obligation, have been tanking all 2.x with this issue

<Goad> plz

[Faytte]

more or less......your a tank, not a dps.

Paladin: laughabale aoe, no burst, king of mitigation, no tp management
Warrior: decent aoe, insane burst, average mitigation, tp management
Drk: amazing aoe, insane burst (so many off global cooldown attacks!), average mitigation, no tp management, unique shit no one else gets (pounce, targetable ranged aoes, etc etc).

[Delorean]

Let's face it, most of the ex-DPS DRKs are probably gone right now. Most of the genuine concern I've seen is coming from career tanks who switched over. In fact, a lot of the people saying DRK is fine, I've noticed, comes from the same ex-DPS who don't really understand what it means to be a viable tank in higher end content.

it comes from people who have been slaying internet dragons long enough to know that there are bigger problems in your raid if you are going to blame your lack of success or increased difficulty (to the point that you will not even invite player of said class to a group) on a class that developers designed to be viable to play in their game content

ppl gave me shit about being a WAR in 2.0 but it was like WHERE IS YOUR PLD GOD NOW when im soloing the last 15% of Ifrit and eating mountain busters like a champ

never gave a fuck and main tanked all of first coil and all that i did of second coil

Signed, a Pre-Inner Beast tweak & Vengeance Shield Wall, Trashsight popping WAR