Buff Bards or Riot

[Lemuria]

you show me anywhere on the first 5 pages of the general discussion section of a BLM complaint thread of these older useless skills. (considering these thread "should be" in their respective class threads not the general discussion but I digress.)

Why does it have to be recent to count? You think people will be complaining about WM in 2 years time? Considering those skills haven't been changed in a very long time, no one is going to ressurect a zombie thread to discuss it. The fact is, it HAS been brought up and people DID complain about it. Apocatastasis was updated as a result of these complaints. It now reduces the damage taken by magic rather than a flat elemental boost.

As for historical records, please show me these records where archers are jumping up and down, side to side spinning 360 degrees non stop firing arrows ALL hitting their target. Mind you, there is no stopping during this time until the fight is over.

Obviously, creative license is used here. If you wanted everything to be historically accurate, your Black Mage would be equipped with herbs and twigs and White Mage would be a triage nurse. How fun would that be?

So instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing, bringing up points which have no relevance to the topic at hand, give some good reasons why Bard needs to be rooted considering their damage is still nowhere close to a Black Mage's output and are now suffering the same casting restrictions.

[KyteStones]

So instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing, bringing up points which have no relevance to the topic at hand, give some good reasons why Bard needs to be rooted considering their damage is still nowhere close to a Black Mage's output and are now suffering the same casting restrictions.

I have yet to meet a bard that can out DPS my BLM, even pre-nerfs when the class was said to be "the highest DPS output class". Instead of throwing temper tantrums at a move that was added you people need to add alternative ideas. Somewhere in the creating of this class, there was testers who verified "hey this works and damn look at that damage. Looks good to me. Ship it out" So it's not like they do this and s ay "well to hell with it, we added new moves so good enough" Ask for alternative fixes instead of screaming "IT BROKEN FIX NAO PLOX OR IT DED"

Here's an alternative right now! "Each 15 seconds you're standing still with it active, increase the damage rate 2% while adding a 3% critical chance every 3 shots"?

Give solutions. You people will never get this class "fixed" by making rant threads. They see these, laugh at all of you, and ignore them.

[Lemuria]

I have yet to meet a bard that can out DPS my BLM, even pre-nerfs when the class was said to be "the highest DPS output class".
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Give solutions. You people will never get this class "fixed" by making rant threads. They see these, laugh at all of you, and ignore them.

So, first you prove my point by saying what I said back to me, then you flat out ignore previous posts in this thread which have done exactly that -- offer suggestions.

The main argument here is that the damage BONUS simply doesn't cover it. It needs to be significantly higher than it is to counter the loss of mobility and auto-attacks. Even a bonus of 30% would go a long way to counteracting the balancing issues, which was already suggested had you been paying attention.

So yes, these threads tend to be a bit of a rant but a rant with good reason. None of the other classes have had such a drastic change in their gameplay post-50, so it's only expected that people are going to be a little disgruntled. Especially given the damage doesn't even cover the costs.

[FaileExperiment]

The main argument here is that the damage BONUS simply doesn't cover it. It needs to be significantly higher than it is to counter the loss of mobility and auto-attacks. Even a bonus of 30% would go a long way to counteracting the balancing issues, which was already suggested had you been paying attention.

What if WM was changed to not stop auto-attacks?

[Yoruichi4478]

What if WM was changed to not stop auto-attacks?

You are still faced with the issue of being forced into a caster roll which is not what you chose to play though.