Buff Bards or Riot

[AskaRay]

Yea, WM is fine, just that when i activates it, i expect to do DPS similar to a BLM/SMN. The skills are so poorly implemented right now.

You can't and never will because of our TP/MP regen songs..

[Refna]

You can't and never will because of our TP/MP regen songs..

Yet Ninjas also do that. Should Ninja be punished also?

But the current gap is still too big compare to BLM and SMN

[AskaRay]

Yet Ninjas also do that. Should Ninja be punished also?

But the current gap is still too big compare to BLM and SMN

The gap is too big, that's why I think we do need some kind of damage buff. Ninjas can only Goad one person every two minutes and thats only TP, bards can sing for as long as their own MP allows and can restore TP or MP.

[Spawnie]

The gap is too big, that's why I think we do need some kind of damage buff. Ninjas can only Goad one person every two minutes and thats only TP, bards can sing for as long as their own MP allows and can restore TP or MP.

i saw n AST with 12k mp n thought to myself god... hope you dont run out of MP cause i dont wanna sing that long lol XD

[Slirith]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hould-be-lower

[Alberel]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hould-be-lower

The simple fact that parties were stacking bards to rotate their songs back in 2.0 shows that the nerfs to BRD were very much needed. Other jobs have utility, yes, but none as incredibly potent as BRD and MCH have. You can argue about it as much as you like but it doesn't change the facts; we've not seen parties stacking other jobs for their utility as we saw with BRDs.

Do BRDs and MCHs need some attention and buffs? Yes. But don't ever expect them to be returned to the level of the likes of SMN and BLM as SE is well aware that parties would start stacking BRDs and MCHs again if they dealt competitive DPS whilst giving the rest of the party infinite resources.

[Felessan]

The simple fact that parties were stacking bards to rotate their songs back in 2.0 shows that the nerfs to BRD were very much needed. Other jobs have utility, yes, but none as incredibly potent as BRD and MCH have. You can argue about it as much as you like but it doesn't change the facts; we've not seen parties stacking other jobs for their utility as we saw with BRDs.

A lot of things happened since 2.0.
SE keep lessen a need to rely on bard's songs, it's understandable that they want to change situation that bard have fixed spot in group. But they add nothing to bards themselves in return. Good healers don't need ballad if they do not die, TP issue greatly reduced with all "phase combat" and fixes and NIN can cover in some situation. This means that bard utility quickly becomes obsolete and their presence in party (with their equal to tank(!) damage) is not justified.

Let's look at currently available encounters - Bismark Ex and Ravanna EX. You don't need neither ballad nor paeon on both. So bard is just taking place of someone who can pull significantly higher dps adding nothing to a party.

[Yoruichi4478]

The simple fact that parties were stacking bards to rotate their songs back in 2.0 shows that the nerfs to BRD were very much needed. Other jobs have utility, yes, but none as incredibly potent as BRD and MCH have. You can argue about it as much as you like but it doesn't change the facts; we've not seen parties stacking other jobs for their utility as we saw with BRDs.

Actually if you want to talk job stacking, we stacked lancers in 1.0 for Ifrit when it first came out and you had to have Sentinel to survive. Then archer for Moogle, then blm for Garuda. In fact, for most things til the end of 1.0, the job stacked was blm. 2 brds isn't stacking imo. Making all the dps 1 job type is.