Buff Bards or Riot

[Felessan]

Here's the problem with these threads..you people (bards) are always jumping around running around shooting your arrows and never sitting still. This annoys me. You'd never see an archer do that (fantasy game or not). I think this is a good thing having your asses planted to the ground in order to fire your arrows efficiently instead of jumping around like you're all on PCP. If you don't like the move, don't use it.

Personally I don't min change in playstyle. But it just doesn't really add anything, it makes things harder and still bards do the same damage as before. And this damage is way below reasonable even for "semi-support" dps.

[KyteStones]

Personally I don't min change in playstyle. But it just doesn't really add anything, it makes things harder and still bards do the same damage as before. And this damage is way below reasonable even for "semi-support" dps.

too many times (especially on titan ex *shudder*) have I seen bards jumping around firing their moves and getting demolished by AOE. This is a good change. Also, from bards I've played with at 60, their DPS is incredible so it sounds like to me, that people are just playing the class wrong with how it is now designed to work. With the whole "i jumped out of that" or "my attack turned me around in mid air and screwed me up" arrogance.

[Mimiru_S]

Here's the problem with these threads..you people (bards) are always jumping around running around shooting your arrows and never sitting still. This annoys me.

On behalf of all Bards, I'd like to apologize for ruining your game and to let you know we will try our hardest to change, for your enjoyment.

[Lemuria]

Here's the problem with these threads..you people (bards) are always jumping around running around shooting your arrows and never sitting still. This annoys me. You'd never see an archer do that (fantasy game or not)

Armies aside, many individual archers were significantly more mobile than you might think. There are historical records of archers who wielded arrows in their bow hand so they could fire them more quickly, as well as many with quivers set to the side to make them easier, and faster to draw. There are also countless tales of archers who could loose 3 arrows in mere seconds.

I have plenty of moves that are useless and that I don't use. So where are my massive complaint threads about removing these useless skills and replacing them with more useful ones? Oh wait...there are none! Why? Because we learn to adapt to the class and make it better with out those useless moves.

Actually, those exist. There have been plenty of people complaining about the rubbish BLM skills, because let's face it most of the BLM unique skills suck up to 50. That you haven't seen these threads says you simply haven't been looking or have seen it and are ignoring it to suit your arguments.

Back on topic however, none of this changes the fact that WM simply isn't that great. What we gain in weaponskill damage we lose in auto attack damage. It's only real use is for Empyreal Arrow and Sidewinder, our new strongest attacks. One of which on a 60s timer no less. Is this a good trade for losing mobility? Not really, no. And the instant we put up any other songs we effectively lose the benefits of our Wanderer's Minuet anyway.

[Mimiru_S]

Armies aside, many individual archers were significantly more mobile than you might think. There are historical records of archers who wielded arrows in their bow hand so they could fire them more quickly, as well as many with quivers set to the side to make them easier, and faster to draw. There are also countless tales of archers who could loose 3 arrows in mere seconds.

Not to mention archers on horseback.

[KyteStones]

Armies aside, many individual archers were significantly more mobile than you might think. There are historical records of archers who wielded arrows in their bow hand so they could fire them more quickly, as well as many with quivers set to the side to make them easier, and faster to draw. There are also countless tales of archers who could loose 3 arrows in mere seconds.Actually, those exist. There have been plenty of people complaining about the rubbish BLM skills, because let's face it most of the BLM unique skills suck up to 50. That you haven't seen these threads says you simply haven't been looking or have seen it and are ignoring it to suit your arguments.

you show me anywhere on the first 5 pages of the general discussion section of a BLM complaint thread of these older useless skills. (considering these thread "should be" in their respective class threads not the general discussion but I digress.)

As for historical records, please show me these records where archers are jumping up and down, side to side spinning 360 degrees non stop firing arrows ALL hitting their target. Mind you, there is no stopping during this time until the fight is over.

Protip: you can't.

[Lemuria]

you show me anywhere on the first 5 pages of the general discussion section of a BLM complaint thread of these older useless skills. (considering these thread "should be" in their respective class threads not the general discussion but I digress.)

Why does it have to be recent to count? You think people will be complaining about WM in 2 years time? Considering those skills haven't been changed in a very long time, no one is going to ressurect a zombie thread to discuss it. The fact is, it HAS been brought up and people DID complain about it. Apocatastasis was updated as a result of these complaints. It now reduces the damage taken by magic rather than a flat elemental boost.

As for historical records, please show me these records where archers are jumping up and down, side to side spinning 360 degrees non stop firing arrows ALL hitting their target. Mind you, there is no stopping during this time until the fight is over.

Obviously, creative license is used here. If you wanted everything to be historically accurate, your Black Mage would be equipped with herbs and twigs and White Mage would be a triage nurse. How fun would that be?

So instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing, bringing up points which have no relevance to the topic at hand, give some good reasons why Bard needs to be rooted considering their damage is still nowhere close to a Black Mage's output and are now suffering the same casting restrictions.

[KyteStones]

So instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing, bringing up points which have no relevance to the topic at hand, give some good reasons why Bard needs to be rooted considering their damage is still nowhere close to a Black Mage's output and are now suffering the same casting restrictions.

I have yet to meet a bard that can out DPS my BLM, even pre-nerfs when the class was said to be "the highest DPS output class". Instead of throwing temper tantrums at a move that was added you people need to add alternative ideas. Somewhere in the creating of this class, there was testers who verified "hey this works and damn look at that damage. Looks good to me. Ship it out" So it's not like they do this and s ay "well to hell with it, we added new moves so good enough" Ask for alternative fixes instead of screaming "IT BROKEN FIX NAO PLOX OR IT DED"

Here's an alternative right now! "Each 15 seconds you're standing still with it active, increase the damage rate 2% while adding a 3% critical chance every 3 shots"?

Give solutions. You people will never get this class "fixed" by making rant threads. They see these, laugh at all of you, and ignore them.

[Intellion]

Here's the problem with these threads..you people (bards) are always jumping around running around shooting your arrows and never sitting still. This annoys me. You'd never see an archer do that (fantasy game or not). I think this is a good thing having your asses planted to the ground in order to fire your arrows efficiently instead of jumping around like you're all on PCP. If you don't like the move, don't use it.

You think I use all of my BLM spells? Like I cast freeze ever anymore. Oh wait, Lethargy? Useful on the slime in Syracus Tower and that's only to delay the slime long enough to kill. Apocostacsis? Yeah... MAYBE used once. It doesn't do that much for me to worry about.

I have plenty of moves that are useless and that I don't use. So where are my massive complaint threads about removing these useless skills and replacing them with more useful ones? Oh wait...there are none! Why? Because we learn to adapt to the class and make it better with out those useless moves.

As a Bard who has cleared all Coils and EX Primals in ARR, let me ask you one thing:

Do you even play Bard?

Because statements like the one you made would only come from someone who has never played the class and doesn't know how its core gameplay works.

So you say "good" Bards stay still like BLMs? Wrong.

Two words:

Repelling Shot.

If you truly knew how to play Bards, then you wouldn't need any explanations.

[KyteStones]

As a Bard who has cleared all Coils and EX Primals in ARR, let me ask you one thing:

Do you even play Bard?

Because statements like the one you made would only come from someone who has never played the class and doesn't know how its core gameplay works.

So you say "good" Bards stay still like BLMs? Wrong.

Two words:

Repelling Shot.

If you truly knew how to play Bards, then you wouldn't need any explanations.

Why don't you look up my character data on the Lodestone. I have played every class to 50 minus the Dark knight and the Machinist. Here's where you didn't read my post correctly.

My complaint was the nonsense of jumping around constantly and moving aroudn when it is really not needed. Not to mention while doing this I have see many times people taking unnecessary hits with lame excuses because they can't sit still. Why do you need to be jumping around all the time? Why do you need to be moving during every fight? I main as a caster and I move far less than a Bard. I'm a caster I know, but seemly i take less damage than a bard because I'm not running around blaming my camera turning me around into an AOE because I feel the need to run around and jump because "i can".

So yes I have played bard, and yes I have played the 60 bard, my wife's bard. I see no issue with the move at all other than its buff. Needs to be 10 to 15% for it to be worthwhile, but overall none of the new bard changes are class breaking where the entire class has gone down the crapper.